Manual for Steyr Drill

[Bravo20]

Hey I'm just doing my duty in passing on scuttlebut

[greyfox]

why make more work for yourself !! if recruits leave with a good proficency in foot drill that should keep any squarebashing nco happy !!! the steyr aint ment for arms drill !!! sure the drill with it aint overly pretty but then again neither are many of the muggs preforming it !! drill is essential to team work and to teach people to obey orders instantly and this end result can be done through foot drill

the army are not going to waist time introducing something new

[Goldie fish]

Right lads..I think its time for a reality check here. Forget abot grounding arms with the steyr..it aint gonna happen with current manual handling and health and safety rules(lift with your knees not your back).
Consider instead how the drill could be adapted around the old FN(or 303)arms drill such as the salute or change arms..I think this is what we are talking about.

[Loque]

Trellheim, I take you mean I should have used the irish with reference to the drill commands. Ok I used the english translation to avoid any possible spelling mistakes, rest assured if bailer sees any irish badly spelled we'll never hear the end of it !
The FN drill did have a drill movement to sling the weapon "croacaigh airm", it was near the end of the FN manual if I recall correctly, in my years in the organistion if never once seen it used. I see you point given that the FN due to its shape and lenght did not require a sling for arms drill

Anyway you're right about the Suifidh Airm, I'm around 5'11' and its very difficult to hold the steyr at the position of attention because your fingers tend to slip on the flash hider it being so round whereas the foresight of the energa sights let you get sufficient grip so the weapon stayed straight, also trying to ground the steyr is extremly ackward.

[Big Al]

im not saying that learning drill should be abandoned but i learnt drill with the 303 fn and steyr, thats a lot of training time. if only that amount of time was dedicated to training me for the role that my coy is supposed to fulfil then i would be a much better solider

[trellheim]

There is no order arms or carry arms. I wish people would remember that no matter what unit you are in. Anyhow quibs aside I can see how folks like myself 6'2'' would have problems with the Suifidh Airm.

Remember the FN had a sling too but it didn't feature in the drill.

[Loque]

Never suggested that arms drill was not important merely that the drill with the steyr is adequate. Foot drill remains the same and it is naturally more heavily relied on to teach discipline than arms drill now that me use the steyr. I like the FN but its gone, the steyr is a modern ergonomic weapon which was not designed with arms drill in mind but for its primary roll. It would have been nice to hold on to the FN for cermonial duties but the notion of using FN drill on the steyr is a waste of time. I have tried FN drill with the steyr but some people ended up stooping over to hold onto it at the order arms, the carry arms requires you to hold the weapon by the butt (unless you thing holding it by the magazine is a good idea!).
The point I make is that the steyr is here to stay so there is no point mourning the loss of the FN.

[FMolloy]

I caught a bit the Anzac Day ceremonies from Gallipoli, the Aussies arms drill looks a lot like British drill, i.e. movement are a lot like what we used to do with the 303. Slings are not used.

[Goldie fish]

Indeed Bravo(by name and nature) Drill is the basis of military discipline. Its porpose is to get the troops moving and working as a team in a "smart uniform and soldierly manner".
Some units neglect training on drill and their discipline suffers as a result. An army is not all about tactics,neither is it all about drill. But both are as important.

[Bravo20]

I agree with Trelheim. People seem to be too eager to move on to the "sexy" stuff such as tactics and tend not to put the time an effort in the discipline forming stuff such as arms drill and foot drill. Usually when you investigate further peoples complaints about foot/arms drill it is because they themselves don't know how to do it properly.

[There stick that in your pipe and smoke it:p ]

[Big Al]

i agree with Loque, for the little training time that we do get, spending half of it teaching recurits on how to change arms or put them on the ground (loggiigh?? arm) is a waste of time. Use the training time efficently, arms drill isnt efficent use

[trellheim]

disagree.

[Loque]

How exactly ?, the steyr is too short for the majority of FN drill movements. I came up with movements for a steyr arms drill display some time ago and very few of the FN movements can be performed on the steyr although some .303 drill could be performed. There is very little drill with the steyr because of the wearing of the sling therefore less time is spent on arms drill this frees up more time for other training. The FN manual was full of movements which were rarely used apart from the funeral drill there was suspend arms , trail arms, advance arms etc.
There is no point in dreaming up new drill movements on the steyr just for the sake of it, the existing movements should be refined if necessary.

word is that the FN drill will be adopted

[trellheim]

Strangely this is what Google tells us

http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:scvy4YDGtN8J:www.uglybugger.org/like-army.php3+australian+army+arms+drill&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

The NCO comments at the end are good