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    What act/military regulation covers the topic of an enlisted man in the RDF questioning the minister for defence in a public capacity (as part of his job) on questions related to Defence Forces operations? I.e General questions/comments on current operations combined with specific questions/comments on Geo-strategic implications?

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    There is a regulation that Public servants must remain impartial at all times. Soldiers, and by extension, reservists (while in uniform) would be covered here.

    Also there is a chain of command.

    A private would have no right to question the COS's orders concerning Defence Force Operations (unless he considered them unlawful).

    If you are un-uniformed and not representing the RDF then you are free to question the minister, on any unrestricted topic, as a citizen of Ireland, just don't say you are in the Reserve.
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    • #3
      The relevent acts being?

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      • #4
        Defence Acts 1954-2006

        119.—Each of the persons mentioned in this section shall, for the purposes of this Act, be a person subject to military law as a man—

        ( b ) a reservist when—
        (i) he is called out on permanent service or in aid of the civil power, or
        (ii) he is called out for training, exercise or other duty under this Act, or
        (iii) he is voluntarily attending training, or
        (iv) he is undergoing treatment in a military hospital, or
        (v) he is employed on military service under the orders of an officer, who is himself subject to military law, or
        (vi) he is in uniform,

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        • #5
          What act/military regulation covers the topic of an enlisted man in the RDF questioning the minister for defence in a public capacity (as part of his job) on questions related to Defence Forces operations? I.e General questions/comments on current operations combined with specific questions/comments on Geo-strategic implications?
          Barndoor, if you are looking for specific advice that you can rely on, then an anonymous bulletin board is not the place. If you are genuinely worried about this then write to the Defence Forces Legal Branch or the Directorate of Reserves (run it past your chain of Command first!)
          "Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals to command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals to edit the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper that these editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from the start but didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing to yield my place to these best generals and I'll do my best for the cause by editing a newspaper"
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Barndoor View Post
            What act/military regulation covers the topic of an enlisted man in the RDF questioning the minister for defence in a public capacity (as part of his job) on questions related to Defence Forces operations? I.e General questions/comments on current operations combined with specific questions/comments on Geo-strategic implications?
            It is called (in the military) Political agitation. I'm sure I've seen some regulation referring to it - it could be a DFR rather than an Act

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            • #7
              Can you point me to which one? Have been looking around and havent seen much on it...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Barndoor View Post
                Can you point me to which one? Have been looking around and havent seen much on it...
                DFR S7 Para 10 refers to it but only in the case of RDFRA.

                It is hinted at in Sect 103 & 104 of the Defence Act.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DeV View Post
                  Defence Acts 1954-2006

                  119.—Each of the persons mentioned in this section shall, for the purposes of this Act, be a person subject to military law as a man—

                  ( b ) a reservist when—
                  (i) he is called out on permanent service or in aid of the civil power, or
                  (ii) he is called out for training, exercise or other duty under this Act, or
                  (iii) he is voluntarily attending training, or
                  (iv) he is undergoing treatment in a military hospital, or
                  (v) he is employed on military service under the orders of an officer, who is himself subject to military law, or
                  (vi) he is in uniform,
                  What about women? Are they legally men when in uniform.
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                  • #10
                    up the top of the act it says "where it says men, we mean women too"
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                    • #11
                      It is specifically covered in either R5 or the Defence Act. Don't have access to either at the moment to check for you.

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                      • #12
                        OK, here is the regulation.

                        R5 (New Series)
                        Para 53. Members are forbidden:
                        (b) to communicate directly or indirectly with members of the Oireachtas or with officials or members of other public bodies on any military matter whether personal or otherwise;


                        Quite clear I think.

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                        • #13
                          But you are only subject to military law (DFRs) as I've outlined.

                          As Viking says, you are best getting legal advise.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Viking View Post
                            Barndoor, if you are looking for specific advice that you can rely on, then an anonymous bulletin board is not the place. If you are genuinely worried about this then write to the Defence Forces Legal Branch or the Directorate of Reserves (run it past your chain of Command first!)
                            i was under the impression that any member of the defence forces (reserve or permanent) was entitled to seek legal advice from the Brigade legal officer without going through the chain of command
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bravo20 View Post
                              OK, here is the regulation.

                              R5 (New Series)
                              Para 53. Members are forbidden:
                              (b) to communicate directly or indirectly with members of the Oireachtas or with officials or members of other public bodies on any military matter whether personal or otherwise;


                              Quite clear I think.
                              Originally posted by DeV View Post
                              But you are only subject to military law (DFRs) as I've outlined.

                              As Viking says, you are best getting legal advise.
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                              From Para 53 as above...

                              My reading of it is that it doesn't specifically mention that the member has to
                              be subject to military law at the time. It just says "Members are...."
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