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Is a lack of compassion a requirement for the DF or just this board?
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This issue got blasted in the herald and I agree 100% boo f*cking, i find it embarassing...these lads call themselves soldiers (who are supposed to be a hard and resiliant bunch by nature) and they cant handle a few insults being hurled at them. What would happen if it was bullets as opposed to harsh words, how are they expected to cope with that.
Its disgraceful that these "fighting men" are whinging over this, the Pakistani security guard on O'Connel Street puts up with more sh*t on a saturday night for less money and we dont hear them crying over it!
Grow a pair.
They should have a look at this and learn
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Compassion for what?Originally posted by Victor View Post
Having to conduct patrols in the rain? Do a 24 hour guard? Not being liked by IRA supporters?
Boo fcuking Hoo as someone else said.sigpic
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I find this report to be a load of rubbish for many reasons, but, I cannot see how any ex-member of the Defence Force in the period 1960 - 1970 - 1980 could make such ludicrous claims or even back them up with any proof, have they ever heard of the "Statue of Limitations"?? Why have the waited so long to bring this up.Originally posted by DeV View Post
With regards suicides, I know of some, committed by soldiers while in service, but, not of any being committed by soldiers who had left the Defence Forces, it would be very hard to establish that their death were caused by events in prior service.
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Cause these days they give out free money if you complain about ANYTHING in the DF.Originally posted by Connaught Stranger View PostI find this report to be a load of rubbish for many reasons, but, I cannot see how any ex-member of the Defence Force in the period 1960 - 1970 - 1980 could make such ludicrous claims or even back them up with any proof, have they ever heard of the "Statue of Limitations"?? Why have the waited so long to bring this up.
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And back in those days they would have been told (rightly) to shut the fudge up and get on with it..................
it'd nearly be worth taking a case over PTSD for being in the butts when the gpmg is firing cause I wasnt supplied with body armour and a helmet and a ricochet hit my trousers.Woo Hoo, finally moderated!!!!! In that select band of people who speak their mind instead of being sheep!Comment
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Cause these days they give out free money if you complain about ANYTHING in the DF.
And back in those days they would have been told (rightly) to shut the fudge up and get on with it..................
it'd nearly be worth taking a case over PTSD for being in the butts when the gpmg is firing cause I wasnt supplied with body armour and a helmet and a ricochet hit my trousers.
Whilst I dont agree with the report
I at least served there- I can remember the place and conditions just as described
you however didnt
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Originally posted by spudula View Post
How strange
in my day the butt party were either removed from the butts or under cover in the target shed which was part of the concrete butt structure during the firing of the falling plates section. We were never issued with body armor but we were carrying our issued helmets at all times in the butts. (I can say that they were not worn all the time.)
If what you claim is true it demonstrates a serious lack of judgment upon the Officer I/C, NCO i/c and yourself for not voicing your concerns.
Was the ricochet that hit your trousers an "inner" or an "outer"
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With the greatest of respect, being part of a reinforcement on rotation upto the border does not qualify as "served on the border" in the context of that report. If Im understanding it correctly, its is referring to the permanently garrasioned troops, who have to live there too... What annoys me to no end is that noone from the border units (permanently stationed) for my time there ever cribbed or whinged about conditions or any of the other elements specific to the border region... the only whinging girls I saw were from the reinforcements, who were from units that will remain anonomys...Originally posted by Groundhog View Post
You see, unless you served with a permantly garrisoned unit there, you cant fully understand everything that goes on behind the scenes nor should you have to... HOWEVER!!!... whilst noone from the border units has asked for any recognition, which does not come for the great work done, I would ask that people show a little respect for those who manned those posts!!... I dont care for a medal!!.. I do care for my bother soldiers who did the job with me, and if theres any soldiers reading this, they will understand!!... As for the rest, if you wanna disrespect any units, do it to those units who deserve it!!!!... theres plenty that fit the bill, and NONE of them are Batts 27 through to 29!!....
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Dont get your frilly's in a knot mate. it was a hypotetical situation to demonstrate that anyone that served in the DF can take any sort of bolderdash case against the minister and if the DF are found to be even slightly at fault then its open season.Originally posted by Connaught Stranger View PostHow strange in my day the butt party were either removed from the butts or under cover in the target shed which was part of the concrete butt structure during the firing of the falling plates section. We were never issued with body armor but we were carrying our issued helmets at all times in the butts. (I can say that they were not worn all the time.)
If what you claim is true it demonstrates a serious lack of judgment upon the Officer I/C, NCO i/c and yourself for not voicing your concerns.
Was the ricochet that hit your trousers an "inner" or an "outer"
Connaught Stranger.Woo Hoo, finally moderated!!!!! In that select band of people who speak their mind instead of being sheep!Comment
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Suicide is responsible for more deaths of the young males than anyother COD, considering the high percentage of males in the DF it stands to reason that suicide will occur, I dont see how a stint on the border could be attributed to this. I have not served on the border or overseas but with the utmost respect to the lads that honorably served Ireland well during this time, its not as if they were witnessing mass genocide.Originally posted by Connaught Stranger View Post.
With regards suicides, I know of some, committed by soldiers while in service, but, not of any being committed by soldiers who had left the Defence Forces, it would be very hard to establish that their death were caused by events in prior service.
Connaught Stranger.
The boys over seas in a more in-hospitable environs have probably seen more potentialy stress causing things.
And we have yet to hear them whinging.
I reckon some bloke came into a rough spot and needs a cash injection and wants some of the DFs shutthefcukup free money."Many a time a man's mouth broke his nose"
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In the context of having served on the border, I served on the border.Originally posted by Exo1 View Post
So why are they whinging now? Apart from trying to create another avenue to fleece the taxpayer of course.Originally posted by Exo1 View Post
Utter rubbish.Originally posted by Exo1 View Post
Well they are now, a little medal for their ONE blazer and a whack of compo.Originally posted by Exo1 View Post
No point in trying to insult me, I have no feelings.Originally posted by Exo1 View Post
Well who exactly is this report about if not members of the 27th, 28th and 29th Bns. As you said yourself they are the ONLY troops who served on the border. So who contributed their pathetic whines to this report?Originally posted by Exo1 View Postsigpic
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Unfortunately this is not the case.Originally posted by Duffman View Post
We could all do with a cash injection I'm sure but I'd rather not dishonour myself, my family or the Army by fabricating a claim for doing a job I volunteered to do and for which I was paid.Originally posted by Duffman View Postsigpic
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Of course no one has yet mentioned that 4 Cav Sqn were also responsible for their
own part of the Border at the time"Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"Comment
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Hallo Spudula,Originally posted by spudula View Post
This thread, has numerous posts trying to establish, if there is any validity in the claims made in the post at Post Number 1.
If, people start to introduce "hypothetical situations" into the discussion, its going to lead us further astray.
As a soldier who served in the 28th Bn in the years when it is alleged there was so much stress, fatigue, poor conditions, etc. etc. I find the claims not only laughable but the claimant(s) has no way to prove them. And that such an item was published in a national newspaper makes the Defence Force look farcical.
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PS. Groundhog, with regards the Units that served on the border the main Border Battalions were the 27th, 28th, 29th, but there were certain anomalies from this.
The 1st Bn. from Galway did man Manorhamilton Military Post in Letreim, for a couple (+) of years, they were responsible for the Checkpoint at Blacklion, Co. Cavan and border patrols in the Kinlough, Lough Melvin, Dromhir and parts of County Cavan. This area was eventually taken over by the 28th Bn. in about 1977 / early 1978.
I believe in the early days of the "Troubles" before the 28th Bn., existed ad-hoc units from Athlone and Longford were in place for a period of time.
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Unfortunately theres a lot of muppets out there dont share your thinking. I agree that it is completely dishonorable and is incredibly bad for public image of the DF.Originally posted by Groundhog View Post
when these people signed up to the DF did they imagine a life of daisy chains and fairy cakes?"Many a time a man's mouth broke his nose"
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