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  • Truck Driver
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    Originally posted by DeV View Post
    https://www.medicalindependent.ie/in...aining-scheme/

    well worth a read


    “A “review” of the military medicine specialist training scheme is ongoing, against a background of recruitment difficulties, the Medical Independent (MI) understands.

    According to the Department of Defence, discussions were taking place on “all matters” relating to the scheme between the Department, Defence Forces, ICGP and HSE. The ICGP informed MI it had no role in the review.”
    I see the former D Med even threw in his tuppence

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  • trellheim
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    Yep prisoners get better care , as usual the DOD cannot see further than its own nose on this

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  • DeV
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    https://www.medicalindependent.ie/in...aining-scheme/

    well worth a read


    “A “review” of the military medicine specialist training scheme is ongoing, against a background of recruitment difficulties, the Medical Independent (MI) understands.

    According to the Department of Defence, discussions were taking place on “all matters” relating to the scheme between the Department, Defence Forces, ICGP and HSE. The ICGP informed MI it had no role in the review.”

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  • DeV
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    Really they should just revise DFRs.

    At the time of the report they said there was an annual requirement for 18,617 PDF medicals (of 11 types).

    Change the format of the annual medical so that the covers the person for 12 months from the date.

    Part of the annual medical to be is person suitable for EOS (any limitations?), to serve overseas (any limitations?), discharge and to undergo courses (rated from light to very strenuous etc).

    Then instead of full medical, if deemed necessary, prior to EOS, selection for overseas, discharge, course etc the soldier could visit a medic for a review. If anything is suspect or soldier requests it then a full medical can be arranged.

    That would mean the amount of medicals would reduce to 14,483 (with post overseas medicals).

    It would possibly mean more reclassification medicals and medical boards (say an extra 1,200).

    But you still would have cut the requirement by 16%

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  • Kieran Marum
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    DAIL Anser given 11th October 2011..

    392. Deputy Seán Kenny asked the Minister for Defence the number of dentists and nurses currently serving in the Defence Forces; the locations at which these nurses and dentists are posted; the number and location of any vacant nurses and dentists posts; and if he intends to fill these posts. [28722/11]

    Minister for Defence (Deputy Alan Shatter): There are currently five Dentists and twelve Nurses serving in the Defence Forces Medical Corps. The tables show the locations where these Dentists and Nurses are currently posted.

    Dentists
    Location Number
    St Bricin’s Hospital 2
    1 Southern Brigade 1
    4 Western Brigade 1
    Defence Forces Training Centre 1
    TOTAL 5

    Nurses
    Location Number
    St Bricin’s Hospital 4
    1 Southern Brigade 3
    Defence Forces Training Centre 5
    TOTAL 12

    The recently completed Medical Services Review recommended a programme of major change in the structure of the Defence Forces Medical Corps. In the new structure, medical personnel within the Defence Forces will come under one central command, the Central Medical Unit, which will have responsibility for the management and delivery of medical services, including the allocation of doctors across the system on the basis of demand and operational requirements. This Central Medical Unit will mandate change across the service and deploy resources centrally, locally and overseas as required. This approach will better support delivery of all care requirements, as both demand and capacity can be pooled and managed centrally and be deployed and redeployed more flexibly across the system

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  • Kieran Marum
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    Numbers and location of medical officers etc

    Dail Answers 28th September 2011

    Question 130. Deputy David Stanton asked the Minister for Defence the number of medical doctors currently serving in the Defence Forces; the locations at which these doctors are posted; the number and location of any vacant medical doctor posts; if he intends to fill these posts; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [26622/11]

    Minister for Defence (Deputy Alan Shatter): Based on the global medical requirement across the Defence Forces as a whole, there is a current requirement for approximately 32 doctors within the Defence Forces Medical Corps. There are currently sixteen doctors serving in the Permanent Defence Force and the table below shows the locations where these doctors are currently posted.

    Number Location

    Director/Deputy Director, Medical Corps 2
    St. Bricin’s Hospital 3
    Eastern Brigade 1
    Southern Brigade 3
    Western Brigade 2
    Defence Forces Training Centre 2
    Naval Service 1
    Overseas 1
    Leave of Absence 1
    TOTAL 16


    The recently completed Medical Services Review recommended a programme of major change in the structure of the Defence Forces Medical Corps. In the new structure, medical personnel within the Defence Forces will come under one central command, the Central Medical Unit, which will have responsibility for the management and delivery of medical services, including the allocation of doctors across the system on the basis of demand and operational requirements. This Central Medical Unit will mandate change across the service and deploy resources centrally, locally and overseas as required. This approach will better support delivery of all care requirements, as both demand and capacity can be pooled and managed centrally and be deployed and redeployed more flexibly across the system.

    A competition for the appointment of doctors to the Medical Corps was advertised and applications are currently being processed in this regard. While the competition remains open and further applications will be accepted on an ongoing basis, it will take some time before we have achieved the current target of 32 doctors in the Defence Forces. Alternative arrangements to address the ongoing shortfall in medical officers are being developed by the Central Medical Unit.

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  • danno
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    Spot on.

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  • hptmurphy
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    I think the comments about pay verus job are a bit unfounded given the hours junior doctors work..an 80 hour week on site on call with minimal sleep is the usual.

    How would trainee DF boctors fit in with that and the NCHD rotations that follow, given they would have to be transfered from brigade to brigade evey six months for a bout second year to get to SHO status which would be practically useless in the DF any as 99.9% of medical / surgical decisions are made by consultants.

    The army could not pay consultant so every time an army doctor has to make a descison it has to be cleared by a consultant. So the army has bought in private consultant time....and there isn't a fit military facility to carry out day to day proceedures such as acute hospitals can.....

    having been a victim of the army medical system and ended up in the hands of civvy doctors as a result..off load Army Doctots and replace them with RDF doctors who you can deploy when needed.

    Here in Kilkenny the guys just arrive in the Hospital as if it were sick parade..and cut out the middleman.

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  • RoyalGreenJacket
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    Originally posted by danno View Post
    See posts 110 & 116 supra.
    yes - that is why i wrote what i wrote.

    in the military the variety and experience is vast and the pay as officers is decent too.

    the Irish DF pay well and have a unit deployed overseas helping people - which contradicts those posts.
    Last edited by RoyalGreenJacket; 20 June 2011, 01:14.

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  • danno
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    See posts 110 & 116 supra.

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  • RoyalGreenJacket
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    Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
    He is a dentist in the UK.
    same principles apply surely?

    training / experiences / pay?

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  • Goldie fish
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    Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
    i have a friend who is a dentist in the RAF and he thinks the opposite.

    he takes pride in being able to offer dental treatment that soldiers actually need - not just the dental treatment they can afford if they were civvies.

    he also did a tour in Afghan where he treated many locals who had never seen a dentist in their lifetime and that was challenging.

    he also experienced severe trauma dentistry dealing with casualties with severe facial injuries - something he wouldn't often see as a civvy dentist.

    and given that the RAF paid in full for 3 of his 5 years training (they only take you on after your second year in training and make you a Capitan / Flt Lt straight away) he said it's the best thing he ever did was be a military dentist.

    obviously he is pretty well set up for life in civvy street too when he retires.

    i think the military can be a great place for the medical / dental profession and it should be encouraged and harnessed where possible.
    He is a dentist in the UK.

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  • danno
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    Originally posted by Jonesy View Post
    That's not exactly the point I was making here.

    What I was trying to say was that there seems to be a big drop in salary that a doctor would get if they worked for the HSE.

    I am talking about the starting salary here and not what someone would earn if they were in private practice. I think an officer salary would equate to roughly half of what that might be. This is an estimated guess by the way...but I am sure that the difference in pay is five figures.
    The HSE equivalent is a SHO who would work in a hosp with no private work,basic sal +- colonel but with opp for OT.Heavy work on a shift pattern,most move on to other specialities and normally get a shortish contract to allw turnover of staff for training purposes,

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  • Jonesy
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    That's not exactly the point I was making here.

    What I was trying to say was that there seems to be a big drop in salary that a doctor would get if they worked for the HSE.

    I am talking about the starting salary here and not what someone would earn if they were in private practice. I think an officer salary would equate to roughly half of what that might be. This is an estimated guess by the way...but I am sure that the difference in pay is five figures.

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  • danno
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    Originally posted by sofa View Post
    Problem in Ireland is our medical professions are full of greedy bastards, who

    squeeze the ill and taxpayers for as much as they can thieve, and none for them

    have the honesty to were a balaclava. So the DF can not match the money they

    make in civvy street.
    You will find and see there are greedy people everywhere even in jail .Basically the biggest paymasters for the medics are the State and VHI(state owned) who keep on paying out with no fuss and the medics charge as much as they can get away with.

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