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    hptmurphy
    Commander in Chief

  • hptmurphy
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    As trellheim said, shortly before the course begins, ALL instructors, directing staff, admin staff etc should have a conference where a training plan is laid out, objectives stated, personnel assigned etc etc
    It happens , we have these at the beginning of each new term of courses, has to be done to assess where courses are and what needs to be caught up on and what has been missed.

    Officers have one first and then NCO's are brought in and then the course leaders etc break away to assess their own particular areas.

    Not a new concept works for us.

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  • Truck Driver
    Captain

  • Truck Driver
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    Originally posted by Barry View Post
    ........shortly before the course begins, ALL instructors, directing staff, admin staff etc should have a conference where a training plan is laid out, objectives stated, personnel assigned etc etc. Saves a load of flapping on the first day if instructors arrive completely prepared for what they have to do. If an instructor is "struggling" (ie shite) then move them sideways to a position where they can't poison the troops. But of course, this is all assuming that you have enough instructors to begin with, which nobody ever does.
    Hmmmmmmm.....

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  • glic
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    It wasn't the "Waterford Infantry". The 33rd Bn includes Waterford, Wexford, Carlow, Kilkenny and Laois I think.

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  • greyfox
    the gunney

  • greyfox
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    grand there is a relevant manual but most people cant be arrsed reading it when they can get their hands on it if you hand every one same book day one of camp much of the bullshit "of this is our interpretation of the manual would be solved" and give a similar book to the recruits which would solve the i can tell them anything cause they don't know bullshit , ,
    MOI course is fine now i haven't done one, but is it more a how to instruct or is it focused on what to instruct there is a difference ? , but 24 places per year , it would take 24 ncos to do two classes of recruits( 4 weks ) who is going to train the remaining four weeks when they done their bit or cant get time off work ? those without the MOI course ,, IMHO what is needed is constant refresher training at unit level say over a weekend for all instructors run by BTC
    training plans and conferences are fine but what is needed is a a willingness to stick to the training plan( which IMHO should be looked at for recruits ) and a ruthless pro gramme of rdf wide standardization , what is needed is an RDF integration with itself , there was an opportunity which may have sadly passed if i am right on the units reverting to training their own

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  • Bravo20
    Commander in Chief

  • Bravo20
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    Unfortunately Kermit it doesn't happen that frequently (BTC and RDFT courses excepted)

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  • Barry
    Lt General

  • Barry
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    Originally posted by kermit
    Do you honestly believe this doesn't happen?
    Do you honestly believe that it happens for every single centralised recruit/2-3* camp run by a RDF line unit?

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  • Barry
    Lt General

  • Barry
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    Maybe it could be more along the lines of "if you've done a MOI course of some description (most instructor courses include at least a recap of MOI) in the past 2 years, you're an instructor. Otherwise you're guard commander/IC cups/other menial job". There's no excuse for poor instruction.

    As trellheim said, shortly before the course begins, ALL instructors, directing staff, admin staff etc should have a conference where a training plan is laid out, objectives stated, personnel assigned etc etc. Saves a load of flapping on the first day if instructors arrive completely prepared for what they have to do. If an instructor is "struggling" (ie shite) then move them sideways to a position where they can't poison the troops. But of course, this is all assuming that you have enough instructors to begin with, which nobody ever does.

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  • trellheim
    Lord Chief Bottlewasher

  • trellheim
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    which is not really the same thing.

    Centralized courses should have a weekend prior where all detailed instructors attend and be briefed and inculcated on the methods, standards and training goals [ and get the training program ]

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  • Barry
    Lt General

  • Barry
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    RDF BTCs also run MOI courses - both ones open to any instructors that apply, and in-house ones for attached instructors on career courses.

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  • concussion
    Gunner

  • concussion
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    There was one run by reserve BTC in the south...less than 10 out of approx 24 places were filled.

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  • trellheim
    Lord Chief Bottlewasher

  • trellheim
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    The PDF BTCs prior to commencing a pNCO course etc will run an instructional course for instructors [ for exactly the above-mentioned purpose ] It helps.

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  • DeV
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    Interested to hear how did centralised 2* camp go?

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by greyfox View Post
    no pro gramme to train the trainer's even a hand book saying this or that should be done this way would go along way to "thats how we do it in this unit " way of thinking ,
    The relevant manual for the lesson, PNCO Course, MOI Course, Std NCO Course, Pot Offrs Course, YO Course, etc etc.....

    But I know you are probably refering to SOPs etc - some of these would come from courses etc. Some of info should have been in the admin/op order for the camp - but not everyone gets to see such documents.

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  • trellheim
    Lord Chief Bottlewasher

  • trellheim
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    i have heard that units will train their own next year
    aaaagh biggest waste of resource known.

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  • greyfox
    the gunney

  • greyfox
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    33 this year , the quality of training offered was pretty much on par with what was offered by the 32 and 34 in previous years , each lead unit brought some good and some bad parts to the pot , i have heard that units will train their own next year . the main problem with the centralized recruit training was/ is the varied quality of ncos there is no pro gramme to train the trainer's even a hand book saying this or that should be done this way would go along way to "thats how we do it in this unit " way of thinking ,

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