A way to make the ranges more efficient?

[DeV Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close DeV]

The Brits (and others) have a Small Arms Collimator (SAC) that allows the use to confirm there weapon is zeroed / rezero a weapon (in under a minute) without live firing. It works on iron & optic sights and NVE. A version for checking laser pointers etc is also available.

It also takes the "bad shot" out of the loop.

http://www.telluricgroup.com/products/sac
http://www.pyser-sgi.com/product.asp?ParentID=438
http://www.pyser-sgi.com/images/thum..._Files/SAC.pdf

[Goose Wacky Waver!!!! Find all posts View Profile Close Goose]

I've seen it being used although never got to use it myself. It was mainly used to boresight a very badly zeroed weapon though to allow the shooter to be able zero it properly. I suppose after zeroing you could find out where the sight is correctly zeroed and always be able to set the sight to the same position without firing.

[GoneToTheCanner C/S Find all posts View Profile Close GoneToTheCanner]

Hi there
It'd be more in their line if they'd modernise the existing ranges or even build more indoor/barracks-based ranges.
regards
GttC

[smegers Retired sapper Find all posts View Profile Close smegers]

Well there are indoor ranges that have been built but have never been used.

[Llorrac C/S Find all posts View Profile Close Llorrac]

They look pretty nifty. Any idea of how much they cost?

[FACer Private 2* Find all posts View Profile Close FACer]

With the collimator you have to Zero your rifle the normal way and then put the collimator on and remember where in the grid your sight is. The firer then needs to remember this for the next time the rifle is fired.
When you get to the range again you need tom ake sure the sight is on the correct part of the grid. Then fire your 20 rounds grouping and five round check group. So you still need to Zero the rifle it just stops the need to boresght ang you will be on target (somewhere) for your first 20 rounds. Hope this makes sence I'm typing in a work meeting and trying ot to get caught!)

[California Tanker My tank is bigger... Find all posts View Profile Close California Tanker]

Interesting little device. The other thing I've seen is a small laser pointer the size of a cartridge. Chamber the laser, see where the sight is pointing compared to the dot.

NTM

[BANDIT Banned User Find all posts View Profile Close BANDIT]

The collimator is an old device --have used it on hunting rifle, 375Mag with a scope . It saves expensive ammo and time but still need to fire a few shots after alignment to tune in the scope sight
As regards ranges A big prob for Ireland must be the fact that a lot of barracks are situated in Towns , the high saftety standards and the fear of compensation claims.Spending a day travelling to Kilpeddar , Gormanstown or Kilbride just to do a days firing seems such a waste of time and money. Indoor rifle ranges would be ideal in places like Mc Kee the Brugha but could u just hear the cries from the public and alarmist about high veloicity rounds being fired near to them blah blah etc .
On a similar note I live ( abroad) a few Ks from an army rifle range that runs perpendicular to a main road. The road runs along approximately 800m firing point , No fences just a guy on duty to stop cars turning onto the range when shooting is occuring and of course a red flag.

[DeV Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close DeV]

CBB has an DIRT (Digitial Indoor Range Theatre) projects different scenerios onto screen a laser fires at the target as far as I know. It also has an indoor range we used to fire the FN with sub-calibre there.

[Muzzle Lieutenant Find all posts View Profile Close Muzzle]

Ranges would be far more efficient if the people who run them at the min wern't allowed to do it. Been on the range with a few differnt units and dear god the flapping these days makes it unplesent, time consuming experience to be there and shoot.

[WES Orpheus Find all posts View Profile Close WES]

CBB has an DIRT (Digitial Indoor Range Theatre) projects different scenerios onto screen a laser fires at the target as far as I know. It also has an indoor range we used to fire the FN with sub-calibre there.

There's a DIRT in every Brigade area. Got to use FATS (FireArms Training Simulator) one time in Ft Benning. CT might have come across it and may be in a position to explain more about it.

[Goldie fish Tim Horgan Find all posts View Profile Close Goldie fish]

I know one man who can get through a detail with the pistol safely, and completely, in 20 minutes. No reason it should take any longer if everyone is tuned in.

There is way too much flapping goes on in most cases. Then you have the types who must discuss every single round they fired, and every signal they got or didn't get, when everyone else is collecting ammo.
Objective: Expend rounds through pointy end of weapon, preferably at centre of target. That is all.

[WES Orpheus Find all posts View Profile Close WES]

The most annoying question on a range?

"Where was my first round?"

[Goldie fish Tim Horgan Find all posts View Profile Close Goldie fish]

"I lost track of it after it went through the target.."

[apod Commander in Chief Find all posts View Profile Close apod]

The proposed new annual range practice should do away with alot of the bullshit we have to deal with now.IF it ever gets approved