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  • #16
    it was only a matter of time as the border is only on a map now.. back to normal its happening everywhere cost cutting and civie street is worse.... i suppose cash escort will be looked at next..

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    • #17
      Cash escort has been looked at extensively - check back over the Dail debates.
      "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

      "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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      • #18
        They'll fudge it and won't take the BA off the lads, as there are plenty of other people in receipt of allowances that they no longer justify and it would raise a shit storm if they tried to clean that up.Better to deny it the next enlistees.
        regards
        gttC

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        • #19
          The Brits disbanded 3 Battalions as a result of the end of Op Banner - the lads should be thankful that they're only losing their Border Allowance!

          (Yes I'm aware that the DF won't be disbanding any Bns as a result, but the point stands)

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          • #20
            Yes it looks like these allowances will be consigned to the History books. I dont think BDA is common in other defence forces

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            • #21
              Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
              They'll fudge it and won't take the BA off the lads, as there are plenty of other people in receipt of allowances that they no longer justify and it would raise a shit storm if they tried to clean that up.Better to deny it the next enlistees.
              regards
              gttC
              Could hardly do that either.

              You would have two Ptes, for example, one with the Border Allowance, one without, both in the
              same unit, and doing the same job.

              There would be murder !
              "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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              • #22
                the way i see it, border duties is 'danger money'. and as such, all soldiers should recieve it

                that is, all soldiers who eat army grub, danger is an understatement!

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                • #23
                  TD,
                  Why not? New contractees who never had the BDA wouldn't miss it.
                  regards
                  GttC

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
                    Could hardly do that either.

                    You would have two Ptes, for example, one with the Border Allowance, one without, both in the
                    same unit, and doing the same job.

                    There would be murder !
                    Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
                    TD,
                    Why not? New contractees who never had the BDA wouldn't miss it.
                    regards
                    GttC
                    Exactly as I said above.

                    If a similar scenario occurred in civvy street, i.e; two individuals doing the
                    same job, and one getting an allowance, and the other not, it would
                    probably be escalated to the union concerned and maybe the Labour Court
                    too.

                    The individual not getting the allowance might also have grounds for redress
                    "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
                      Could hardly do that either.

                      You would have two Ptes, for example, one with the Border Allowance, one without, both in the
                      same unit, and doing the same job.

                      There would be murder !
                      We allready have that situation in every barracks in the country.Those who joined before 1994 get pre-discharge leave(PDL),cant be detailed for any peace enforcement missions overseas and their contracts dont require them to pass the IT's annually to stay in.So there is allready a two tier PDF.
                      "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by apod View Post
                        We allready have that situation in every barracks in the country.Those who joined before 1994 get pre-discharge leave(PDL),cant be detailed for any peace enforcement missions overseas and their contracts dont require them to pass the IT's annually to stay in.So there is allready a two tier PDF.
                        Fair point....
                        "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
                          Exactly as I said above.

                          If a similar scenario occurred in civvy street, i.e; two individuals doing the
                          same job, and one getting an allowance, and the other not, it would
                          probably be escalated to the union concerned and maybe the Labour Court
                          too.

                          The individual not getting the allowance might also have grounds for redress
                          No, I have seen situations where an allowance or traditional practice is phased out by letting those who have got used to it continue to receive it, but denying it to people newly posted to that area. Another way of dealing with the situation is to stop the allowance when someone is promoted.

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                          • #28
                            Phasing it out would be a saving, but not as large as the hysteria leads people to believe as the recipients of BDA don't qualify for any other hardship or duty allowances. What will happen is that they will phase it out, but everyone who received it will qualify for a new allowance on a "personal basis" and it will cost more in the long run.

                            Just on the comparison with the civvy world, there is absolutely no prohibition on people doing the same work but getting different pay. The problem only arises when the difference is based on discriminatory factors.
                            "Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals to command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals to edit the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper that these editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from the start but didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing to yield my place to these best generals and I'll do my best for the cause by editing a newspaper"
                            Gen. Robert E. Lee

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                            • #29
                              Another way of dealing with the situation is to stop the allowance when someone is promoted.
                              That’s very dodgy, as the person concerned can claim they only agreed to give it up under duress, i.e. the implied threat of having the promotion withheld.
                              "Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals to command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals to edit the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper that these editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from the start but didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing to yield my place to these best generals and I'll do my best for the cause by editing a newspaper"
                              Gen. Robert E. Lee

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