Transferring to get promoted (split from getting through PNCO cse)

[trellheim]

Bunny Shooter's comment serves to highlight another problem within the RDF, NCOs hanging on for a vacancy in their "own" unit rather than being posted to where there is a crying shortage. For example certain units have a full clan of Sgts .... with a 5 year waiting list and most of the people on that list having the Standards completed.

THen you have other units who have 1 Sgt maybe 2 who are completely and utterly overworked. The Cpls and the Sgts then refuse when asked to transfer from unit A [ for any number of reasons, usually they don't want out of their zone ] .

[Truck Driver]

Bunny Shooter's comment serves to highlight another problem within the RDF, NCOs hanging on for a vacancy in their "own" unit rather than being posted to where there is a crying shortage. For example certain units have a full clan of Sgts .... with a 5 year waiting list and most of the people on that list having the Standards completed.

THen you have other units who have 1 Sgt maybe 2 who are completely and utterly overworked. The Cpls and the Sgts then refuse when asked to transfer from unit A [ for any number of reasons, usually they don't want out of their zone ] .

Trellheim, you don't seem to factoring in loyalty to your unit and corps as a reason for not
transferring

[trellheim]

Bullshit and I've said it before this is a volunteer service not a private militia ... you go where you're needed not in your happy place.

[ No offence meant ]

[Bravo20]

I am with Trellheim on this one. Your first loyalty should be to the service, unit loyalty is second. There are however geographical reasons why someone could not transfer.

[Truck Driver]

Bullshit and I've said it before this is a volunteer service not a private militia ... you go where you're needed not in your happy place.

[ No offence meant ]

I am with Trellheim on this one. Your first loyalty should be to the service, unit loyalty is second. There are however geographical reasons why someone could not transfer.

Easy for ye to say. Ye have the choice of 4-5 Coys within your own Battalion
to transfer to, without leaving your parent unit

[Viking]

THen you have other units who have 1 Sgt maybe 2 who are completely and utterly overworked. The Cpls and the Sgts then refuse when asked to transfer from unit A [ for any number of reasons, usually they don't want out of their zone ]

That’s not always the case. In my unit have a surplus of NCOs and some of them are willing to transfer, especially to corps units. The philosophy amongst the higher ups is that "Shure we'll keep them, you’d never know when we might need them" or “I didn’t train you up for those feckers in the Eng/Cav/Tpt to get ya”. Also, lists of vacancies are hard to find.

[trellheim]

TD you can transfer to any unit you want.


Viking you're in the minority - but that's PDF which is a little different - or am I wrong ?

[greyfox]

id hate to see a culture of jumping to another unit just for promotion correct me if im wrong but many units have a full complement of sgts its just you dont see them and there is an unwillingness to ruthlessly weed those who hold rank but dont show up ,,, or do when it suits them once a year ,

[Barry]

So a Cpl in a corps unit with a special qualification for their particular corps (first aid instructor in medics, for instance) who happens to have a standards course done but no appointment in their corps unit should be posted to an infantry Coy in a Sgt appointment and end up doing paperwork?

Also, no offence intended to anybody, but units (particularly post reorg) with a lack of Sgts tend to be that way for a reason, ie all the previous Sgts have walked/been chased out. Why transfer in someone who is effective and committed in their own unit, to a unit where they don't want to be, and they will end up leaving the RDF altogether?

[trellheim]

Why transfer in someone who is effective and committed

Because the service needs them elsewhere.

[Barry]

Because the service needs them elsewhere.

So you'd choose to deprive a Corps unit of one of their specialist instructors so an infantry unit has one more admin Sgt to push paperwork around a desk?

Did it occur to you that promotion might not be the be all and end all, and that someone could be happy being a Cpl in the unit they've always been in, rather than transferring (as a Sgt) to a completely different unit where they know nobody (and are completely unprepared for the local politics)?

[Bravo20]

If someone wants to stay the rank they are thats fine. I'm talking about people who want to get promoted but such a vacancy does not exist in their unit, those people should transfer (if there is a unit geographically near enough for them to be effective).

[trellheim]

Reverse it : Should your own happiness take pride of place over the good of the service ?

you agreed to serve as a volunteer. [ Corps is irrelevant and only serves to cloud the issue ]

[WilcoOut]

hptmurphy, i dont appreciate the childish name calling, especially not through the medium of the internet.

I would like to withdraw all my comments and arguments as everyone has seemed to miss the simple SUGGESTION i put to the board, which is a grey area in times of dire need. that is all

2*s? Cpl Stripes? no thanks, Pips are my game

[trellheim]

Well Wilco Out, you will need those unwanted stripes to get your pips.