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    [MOD: Split from FG Thread]

    Hedgehog,

    you didn't have a problem with people over seventy losing their medical cards, whats the difference between that and border allowance?


    As a member of the defence forces you have job security.

  • #2
    [MOD: Copied from FG thread and edited to suit thread]

    as for the border allowance-

    Why would fellow Soldiers actively seek to remove an allowance from Comrade Soldiers

    is it petty jealousy
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by hedgehog
      .....upon careful reading I realised that the over 70's Guarenteed Medical Card was inherently wrong and wasteful.........

      Why would fellow Soldiers actively seek to remove an allowance from Comrade Soldiers

      is it petty jealousy....
      Because paying an allowance to soldiers who do not qualify for that allowance is "inherently wrong and wasteful".
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Groundhog View Post
        Because paying an allowance to soldiers who do not qualify for that allowance is "inherently wrong and wasteful".
        Do NOT forget the Border is still there

        and they havent gone away

        should we abolish it and then seek to re introduce it when another F & M appears

        have you even bothered to ask those in recipt of it

        whether it should be retained or not

        Its very easy down on the sunny southern side of the COuntry to

        say yes

        give it away

        I really cant beleive fellow Soldiers are trying to take money of felow Soldiers

        can you see Gardai/Prison Officers/Postmen

        doing what you are doing
        Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
        Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
        The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
        The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
        The best lack all conviction, while the worst
        Are full of passionate intensity.

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
          Do NOT forget the Border is still there
          Irrelevant. The people stationed there, live there. There is no more justification for paying a soldier from Co. Cavan for being stationed in Cavan than there is for paying a soldier from Tipperary for being stationed in Clonmel.

          Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
          have you even bothered to ask those in recipt of it

          whether it should be retained or not
          Again irrelevant. The issue is whether they are entitled to the allowance or not. Clearly, given the reasons why Border Alowance was instituted in the first case, they are not.

          Suppose the DF had lost the run of itself and started paying you as a Colonel for the last year. Clearly you are not entitled to a Colonel's wages. Would you consider it reasonable, once the error was discovered, to demand that the DF continue to pay you a Colonel's wages?

          Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
          I really cant beleive fellow Soldiers are trying to take money of felow Soldiers

          can you see Gardai/Prison Officers/Postmen

          doing what you are doing
          And once again irrelevant.
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          My favourite moment was when the
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          • #6
            Irrevelant

            fellow Soldiers and there pay

            doesnt that just about say it all
            Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
            Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
            The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
            The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
            The best lack all conviction, while the worst
            Are full of passionate intensity.

            Comment


            • #7
              Hedge,
              In the Don, the saga of Flying Pay was loaded heavily in favour of pilots first, then non-pilot aircrew, then the rest.When attempts were made to reduce wastage of FP, such as that being claimed by non-flying pilots in desk appointments and non-flying NCOs in hangars, the pilots made sure that their desk-jockeys and their fellow officers kept theirs, at full rate, while NCO and airman aircrew lost theirs or had it reduced.It was one of the issues that led to the demise of SAR in the Don.Imagine risking your neck in a helicopter knowing that some fat bastard, safe in an office, is getting a much higher flying pay rate.
              regards
              GttC

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              • #8
                Fair is fair, the money saved by getting rid of border pay could buy some nice gloves for everyone, or maybe decent wicking socks.

                I know a person based on the border who is, and I quote "dead pleased with all this extra money for nothing".
                Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
                Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
                Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
                Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
                  Irrevelant

                  fellow Soldiers and there pay

                  doesnt that just about say it all
                  No. They are drawing an allowance to which they are not entitled. It's really nothing to do with soldiers and their pay, it's more to do with corporate negligence in the Dept of Defence.

                  Originally posted by johnny no stars View Post
                  Fair is fair, the money saved by getting rid of border pay could buy some nice gloves for everyone, or maybe decent wicking socks.

                  I know a person based on the border who is, and I quote "dead pleased with all this extra money for nothing".
                  Or it could pay 50% of the cost of vaccinating teenage girls against cervical cancer.
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                  Last edited by Groundhog; 19 November 2008, 10:14.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Groundhog View Post
                    No. They are drawing an allowance to which they are not entitled. It's really nothing to do with soldiers and their pay, it's more to do with corporate negligence in the Dept of Defence.



                    Or it could pay 50% of the cost of vaccinating teenage girls against cervical cancer.
                    Irrevelant
                    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                    Are full of passionate intensity.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      No. They are drawing an allowance to which they are not entitled
                      There are 2 main issues here

                      either 1

                      your wrong

                      These fellow Soldiers are drawing an allowance they are entitled to

                      there is however talk of getting rid of this allowance- BUT

                      until this is ratified- our Fellow Soldiers are entitled to this allowance

                      so either your wrong

                      OR

                      2 your alleging that fellow SOldiers are drawing an allowance they are not entitled to

                      which is fraud /theft/ scallywaggery

                      so which is it Comrade

                      1- your wrong

                      2- your saying fellow Soldiers are on the rob

                      Please only reply to these point
                      Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                      Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                      The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                      The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                      The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                      Are full of passionate intensity.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by johnny no stars View Post
                        Fair is fair, the money saved by getting rid of border pay could buy some nice gloves for everyone, or maybe decent wicking socks.

                        I know a person based on the border who is, and I quote "dead pleased with all this extra money for nothing".

                        NOBODY is naive enough to think thats the way it works

                        (maybe one other person check this out

                        Or it could pay 50% of the cost of vaccinating teenage girls against cervical cancer.

                        Sheesh

                        it doesnt work that way in Govt

                        and well you pair know it

                        If we got rid of 3rd level free education to all posh kids

                        this would leave 10 squidillion in the public purse

                        that would allow us all to have hover cars :confused::confused::confused:
                        Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                        Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                        The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                        The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                        The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                        Are full of passionate intensity.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
                          1- your wrong

                          2- your saying fellow Soldiers are on the rob

                          Please only reply to these point
                          It's neither actually.

                          I'm not wrong as anyone can see from the C&AG's report outlining the reasons for paying Border Allowance 40 years ago. You are wrong in maintaining that Border Soldiers are entitled to BA in lieu of SDA.

                          And as I've already stated my fellow soldiers are not on the rob, they are being paid an allowance they aren't entitled to by the Dept of Defence.

                          It's actually a pretty simple situation. The solution of course is not so simple since the people in receipt of the money see it as their entitlement, as do you. Like them you are wrong.
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                          Originally posted by hedgehog
                          My favourite moment was when the
                          Originally posted by hedgehog
                          red headed old dear got a smack on her ginger head

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
                            If we got rid of 3rd level free education to all posh kids

                            this would leave 10 squidillion in the public purse

                            that would allow us all to have hover cars :confused::confused::confused:
                            Naturally. Although the "posh kids" wouldn't really give a fcuk because daddy would pick up the tab. It's the not-so-posh kids who's daddy earns a fiver a week over the free education threshold who would actually suffer.
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                            Say NO to violence against Women

                            Originally posted by hedgehog
                            My favourite moment was when the
                            Originally posted by hedgehog
                            red headed old dear got a smack on her ginger head

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Groundhog View Post
                              It's neither actually.

                              I'm not wrong as anyone can see from the C&AG's report outlining the reasons for paying Border Allowance 40 years ago. You are wrong in maintaining that Border Soldiers are entitled to BA in lieu of SDA.

                              And as I've already stated my fellow soldiers are not on the rob, they are being paid an allowance they aren't entitled to by the Dept of Defence.

                              It's actually a pretty simple situation. The solution of course is not so simple since the people in receipt of the money see it as their entitlement, as do you. Like them you are wrong.
                              The C & G does NOT repeat NOT make Policy

                              did you know this

                              I presume you didnt

                              Now you do know

                              are you prepared to

                              admit your wrong

                              or point out which scallywags are robbing

                              DF Policy is unchanged- Certain personnel serving in certain areas are entitled to Border Allowance
                              Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                              Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                              The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                              The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                              The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                              Are full of passionate intensity.

                              Comment

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