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**hptmurphy** · 3 January 2009, 21:38

He would be entitled to work up to 20 hours per week while claiming a disabilty payment from the state although this would negate his medical card.

On reaching sixty five he has probably decided to retire from employment and is in need of supplementary payments although given tghis he is now entitled to the state old age pension and a medical card and would have qualified for an army disability pension had he been boarded.

Nice try Mr Brown.. slipped up slightly though... you could still work twenty hours aweek to top up your pension rather than sponging it from the army... nothing there says you can't.

You can use your free travel to go banging on the door of the ministers office but your claim for an army pension is outside of the stsatute of limitations.

Tough..now get back to work.

**Craghopper** · 4 January 2009, 02:04

Originally posted by hedgehog View Post

RE: http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com...ad.php?t=14313

SUrely this is a big porkie

if he has a deilitating illness then he is automatically entitled to a Medical Card

and he is 66 so he is getting an old age (Govt issue) pension

so the 25 hours in a call centre is extra moolah

a man of instant action

and he is bringing his campaign to the media in 2009 nearly 30 years after leaving the DF

what did he work at for the 30 years

oh why even bother

feck of and join that provo post office robber you .........

ALL MS sufferers get their Meds free(Treatment for MS)..Even if your the richest man in Ireland. And He would be entitled to a medical card..

**Connaught Stranger** · 4 January 2009, 09:42

"This has been going on for over 20 years now," Mr Brown says. "I didn't know anything about having to apply for a pension in a certain period of time and this fact was not made clear to me while I was serving."

All military personnel while employed as soldiers are frequently read the Defence Force Acts with accompanying updates on their rights, they are also informed well about the claims procedure both before and as they leave the military, information for serving personnel is routinely posted on the Battalion Notice Boards and Company HQ Notice Boards, regardless of when he served.

He would also have had sections of the Defence Force Acts read to him while on Friday Pay-Parade waiting to go in to get his dosh as required by Army Regs.

He has appealed to the Department of Defence, local TDs and the Army Pensions Board, but says none of the avenues has offered a solution. "The people in the pensions board have told me I'm due a pension but that I won't be able get it because I was too late making my application."

He still would have to prove the medical condition was caused by military service and not the disco strobe lights in any disco bars he possibly frequented on his time off.

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**FougaM** · 4 January 2009, 12:50

Originally posted by Connaught Stranger View Post

All military personnel while employed as soldiers are frequently read the Defence Force Acts with accompanying updates on their rights, they are also informed well about the claims procedure both before and as they leave the military, information for serving personnel is routinely posted on the Battalion Notice Boards and Company HQ Notice Boards, regardless of when he served.

He would also have had sections of the Defence Force Acts read to him while on Friday Pay-Parade waiting to go in to get his dosh as required by Army Regs.

In my own experience; only personnel in training get the regulations read to them. As an adult I take pride in the fact that I can read the regulations for myself.

**hedgehog** · 4 January 2009, 14:27

As an adult I take pride in the fact that I can read the regulations for myself.

The Reading of the Acts are from an era when a lot of Soldiers could barely read and write

as Fouga rightly said- the Reading should be given and explained to Recruits and then it is the responsibility of each Soldier to go through the regulations themselves

I am a firm beleiver in personal responsibility

**DeV** · 4 January 2009, 18:35

But is it easy to get access to them?

There are certain sections of the Act & R5 that are supposed to be read to reservists (on particular parades).

**hedgehog** · 4 January 2009, 18:39

when has anyone ever read ou the details of the Criminal Justice Act 1997

and I bet money you have never breached it

and if I am right no body ever read it out to you

I say again

No one ever read it out to you

**Connaught Stranger** · 4 January 2009, 19:24

Criminal Justice Act 1997??

Is that part of the D.F.R. now??

**Connaught Stranger** · 4 January 2009, 19:29

Originally posted by FougaM View Post

In my own experience; only personnel in training get the regulations read to them. As an adult I take pride in the fact that I can read the regulations for myself.

Maybe you can read them, but, do you fully understand all they pertain too?

Lucky if you do, many did and do not.

Thats why they were read out by and N.C.O. with the words "Any Questions before I continue?" asked.

Also in my period of service 1976 - 1997 the Irish Army were not in the habit of handing out copies of the D.F.R. to each and every soldier as part of his kit.

The guy claiming, would have been in before me so the Reading of the Acts would have been straight forward par for the course.

Connaught Stranger.

**hedgehog** · 4 January 2009, 20:51

Originally posted by Connaught Stranger View Post

Criminal Justice Act 1997??

Is that part of the D.F.R. now??

yes

its reffered to in the end bit

Acts Referred to

Civil Liability Act 1961
1961, No. 41

Civil Service Regulation Act 1956
1956, No. 46

Courts-Martial Appeals Act 1983
1983, No. 19

Criminal Evidence Act 1992
1992, No. 12

Criminal Justice Act 1997
1990, No. 16
Criminal Justice (Safety of United Nations Workers) Act 2000
2000, No. 16

Criminal Justice (Terrorist Offences) Act 2005
2005, No. 2

Criminal Justice (Theft and Fraud Offences) Act 2001
2001, No. 50

Criminal Justice (United Nations Convention against Torture) Act 2000
2000, No. 11

Criminal Law (Insanity) Act 2006
2006, No. 11

Criminal Law (Rape) (Amendment) Act 1990
1990, No. 32

Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Act 2006
2006, No. 15

Criminal Procedure Act 1993
1993, No. 40

Defence Act 1954
1954, No. 18

Defence Acts 1954 to 2006

Defence (Amendment) Act 1987
1987, No. 8

Defence (Amendment) Act 2006
2006, No. 20

Geneva Conventions Act 1962
1962, No. 11

International Criminal Court Act 2006
2006, No. 30

Interpretation Act 2005
2005, No. 23

Mental Health Act 2001
2001, No. 25

Ombudsman (Defence Forces) Act 2004
2004, No. 36

Police (Property) Act 1897
60 & 61 Vic., c. 30

Prisons Act 1970
1970, No. 11

Prisons Act 1972
1972, No. 7

Statutory Instruments Act 1947
1947, No. 44

Superannuation Act 1887
50 & 51 Vic., c. 67

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BUt the point is

Do you have to be sat down and told everysingle thing

**golden rivet** · 4 January 2009, 21:46

Originally posted by Irish_Army01 View Post

ALL MS sufferers get their Meds free(Treatment for MS)..Even if your the richest man in Ireland. And He would be entitled to a medical card..

He is also entitled to disabled parking and the allowance that you can get for buying a car

**hptmurphy** · 4 January 2009, 22:58

The allowance for the cars is if you buy a new car you are entitled to the Vat refund.

**FougaM** · 4 January 2009, 23:09

Originally posted by hedgehog View Post

yes

Do you have to be sat down and told everysingle thing

You do have to be sat down and told everything; unfortunately that is the culture of this organisation.

**Truck Driver** · 5 January 2009, 11:42

Originally posted by hedgehog View Post

But the point is

Do you have to be sat down and told everysingle thing

No, but personell should at least be told WHERE to find the information, then left to
their own devices. What if one doesn't have an Internet connection to access the
relevant stuff online ?

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