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    RE: http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com...ad.php?t=14313


    Mr Brown now works 25 hours a week in a call centre close to his home to help cover his medical bills and MS treatment costs, which were €1,500 last year
    SUrely this is a big porkie

    if he has a deilitating illness then he is automatically entitled to a Medical Card

    and he is 66 so he is getting an old age (Govt issue) pension

    so the 25 hours in a call centre is extra moolah



    Mr Brown left the Defence Forces in 1979 and applied for an Army disability pension in 1988. He says the Galway-based Army Pensions Board rejected his request because his application was received a year too late.
    a man of instant action

    and he is bringing his campaign to the media in 2009 nearly 30 years after leaving the DF

    what did he work at for the 30 years

    oh why even bother

    feck of and join that provo post office robber you .........
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

  • #2
    He would be entitled to work up to 20 hours per week while claiming a disabilty payment from the state although this would negate his medical card.

    On reaching sixty five he has probably decided to retire from employment and is in need of supplementary payments although given tghis he is now entitled to the state old age pension and a medical card and would have qualified for an army disability pension had he been boarded.

    Nice try Mr Brown.. slipped up slightly though... you could still work twenty hours aweek to top up your pension rather than sponging it from the army... nothing there says you can't.

    You can use your free travel to go banging on the door of the ministers office but your claim for an army pension is outside of the stsatute of limitations.

    Tough..now get back to work.
    Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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    • #3
      Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
      RE: http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com...ad.php?t=14313


      SUrely this is a big porkie

      if he has a deilitating illness then he is automatically entitled to a Medical Card

      and he is 66 so he is getting an old age (Govt issue) pension

      so the 25 hours in a call centre is extra moolah




      a man of instant action

      and he is bringing his campaign to the media in 2009 nearly 30 years after leaving the DF

      what did he work at for the 30 years

      oh why even bother

      feck of and join that provo post office robber you .........


      ALL MS sufferers get their Meds free(Treatment for MS)..Even if your the richest man in Ireland. And He would be entitled to a medical card..

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      • #4
        "This has been going on for over 20 years now," Mr Brown says. "I didn't know anything about having to apply for a pension in a certain period of time and this fact was not made clear to me while I was serving."
        All military personnel while employed as soldiers are frequently read the Defence Force Acts with accompanying updates on their rights, they are also informed well about the claims procedure both before and as they leave the military, information for serving personnel is routinely posted on the Battalion Notice Boards and Company HQ Notice Boards, regardless of when he served.

        He would also have had sections of the Defence Force Acts read to him while on Friday Pay-Parade waiting to go in to get his dosh as required by Army Regs.

        He has appealed to the Department of Defence, local TDs and the Army Pensions Board, but says none of the avenues has offered a solution. "The people in the pensions board have told me I'm due a pension but that I won't be able get it because I was too late making my application."
        He still would have to prove the medical condition was caused by military service and not the disco strobe lights in any disco bars he possibly frequented on his time off.

        Connaught Stranger

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Connaught Stranger View Post
          All military personnel while employed as soldiers are frequently read the Defence Force Acts with accompanying updates on their rights, they are also informed well about the claims procedure both before and as they leave the military, information for serving personnel is routinely posted on the Battalion Notice Boards and Company HQ Notice Boards, regardless of when he served.

          He would also have had sections of the Defence Force Acts read to him while on Friday Pay-Parade waiting to go in to get his dosh as required by Army Regs.
          In my own experience; only personnel in training get the regulations read to them. As an adult I take pride in the fact that I can read the regulations for myself.

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          • #6
            As an adult I take pride in the fact that I can read the regulations for myself.

            The Reading of the Acts are from an era when a lot of Soldiers could barely read and write


            as Fouga rightly said- the Reading should be given and explained to Recruits and then it is the responsibility of each Soldier to go through the regulations themselves

            I am a firm beleiver in personal responsibility
            Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
            Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
            The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
            The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
            The best lack all conviction, while the worst
            Are full of passionate intensity.

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            • #7
              But is it easy to get access to them?

              There are certain sections of the Act & R5 that are supposed to be read to reservists (on particular parades).

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              • #8
                when has anyone ever read ou the details of the Criminal Justice Act 1997

                and I bet money you have never breached it

                and if I am right no body ever read it out to you

                I say again

                No one ever read it out to you
                Last edited by hedgehog; 4 January 2009, 19:45.
                Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                Are full of passionate intensity.

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                • #9
                  Criminal Justice Act 1997??

                  Is that part of the D.F.R. now??

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by FougaM View Post
                    In my own experience; only personnel in training get the regulations read to them. As an adult I take pride in the fact that I can read the regulations for myself.

                    Maybe you can read them, but, do you fully understand all they pertain too?

                    Lucky if you do, many did and do not.

                    Thats why they were read out by and N.C.O. with the words "Any Questions before I continue?" asked.

                    Also in my period of service 1976 - 1997 the Irish Army were not in the habit of handing out copies of the D.F.R. to each and every soldier as part of his kit.

                    The guy claiming, would have been in before me so the Reading of the Acts would have been straight forward par for the course.

                    Connaught Stranger.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Connaught Stranger View Post
                      Criminal Justice Act 1997??

                      Is that part of the D.F.R. now??

                      yes

                      its reffered to in the end bit

                      Acts Referred to

                      Civil Liability Act 1961
                      1961, No. 41

                      Civil Service Regulation Act 1956
                      1956, No. 46

                      Courts-Martial Appeals Act 1983
                      1983, No. 19

                      Criminal Evidence Act 1992
                      1992, No. 12

                      Criminal Justice Act 1997
                      1990, No. 16

                      Criminal Justice (Safety of United Nations Workers) Act 2000
                      2000, No. 16

                      Criminal Justice (Terrorist Offences) Act 2005
                      2005, No. 2

                      Criminal Justice (Theft and Fraud Offences) Act 2001
                      2001, No. 50

                      Criminal Justice (United Nations Convention against Torture) Act 2000
                      2000, No. 11

                      Criminal Law (Insanity) Act 2006
                      2006, No. 11

                      Criminal Law (Rape) (Amendment) Act 1990
                      1990, No. 32

                      Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Act 2006
                      2006, No. 15

                      Criminal Procedure Act 1993
                      1993, No. 40

                      Defence Act 1954
                      1954, No. 18

                      Defence Acts 1954 to 2006

                      Defence (Amendment) Act 1987
                      1987, No. 8

                      Defence (Amendment) Act 2006
                      2006, No. 20

                      Geneva Conventions Act 1962
                      1962, No. 11

                      International Criminal Court Act 2006
                      2006, No. 30

                      Interpretation Act 2005
                      2005, No. 23

                      Mental Health Act 2001
                      2001, No. 25

                      Ombudsman (Defence Forces) Act 2004
                      2004, No. 36

                      Police (Property) Act 1897
                      60 & 61 Vic., c. 30

                      Prisons Act 1970
                      1970, No. 11

                      Prisons Act 1972
                      1972, No. 7

                      Statutory Instruments Act 1947
                      1947, No. 44

                      Superannuation Act 1887
                      50 & 51 Vic., c. 67





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                      BUt the point is

                      Do you have to be sat down and told everysingle thing
                      Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                      Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                      The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                      The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                      The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                      Are full of passionate intensity.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Irish_Army01 View Post
                        ALL MS sufferers get their Meds free(Treatment for MS)..Even if your the richest man in Ireland. And He would be entitled to a medical card..
                        He is also entitled to disabled parking and the allowance that you can get for buying a car

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                        • #13
                          The allowance for the cars is if you buy a new car you are entitled to the Vat refund.
                          Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
                            yes

                            Do you have to be sat down and told everysingle thing
                            You do have to be sat down and told everything; unfortunately that is the culture of this organisation.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
                              But the point is

                              Do you have to be sat down and told everysingle thing
                              No, but personell should at least be told WHERE to find the information, then left to
                              their own devices. What if one doesn't have an Internet connection to access the
                              relevant stuff online ?
                              "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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