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  • Or worse, would the cost of AR recruitment v result v output from AR v number with complete OR v not complete OR,
    we cost fk-all

    2018 Vote 35 and 36 - the defence votes total 1007 million Euro. Reserve pay =2.5 million we cost about a quarter of a percent of the budget and we cant even use all that
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
      we cost fk-all

      2018 Vote 35 and 36 - the defence votes total 1007 million Euro. Reserve pay =2.5 million we cost about a quarter of a percent of the budget and we cant even use all that
      €2.5m plus ammo, food, clothing, cadre, fuel etc.

      Still **** all but there are more costs than just pay

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      • By way of context, I know of one subhead that will have an underspend of circa €4m this year as they do not have the personnel to manage the projects that were planned.

        That is only one subhead

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        • https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/104090...ops-quit-year/

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          • Recruitment in the British Army has been shown to be directly related to involvement in wars. The more wars, the better the recruitment.

            Troops hate the barrack life.

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            • Commandant Lar Joy (AR) delivering the lecture "Stepping together – a history of the reserve defence forces 1929-2019" at 2000hrs on Friday 6th of December in Griffith College.
              A look back might help us find a way forward...

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              • http://www.mhsi.ie/lectures.htm

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                • https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...eral-1.4185805

                  Army reservists struggle to conduct exercises with their counterparts in the permanent Defence Forces due to a lack of physical training, according to a senior army officer.
                  Brig Gen Dave Dignam, who commands the Defence Forces Training Centre in the Curragh, said the problem surfaced during a recent 24-hour exercise involving reserve and permanent troops.
                  “The sheer physicality of what they were trying to do overwhelmed many of them because it’s very difficult to train reservists on two or four hours a week to actually manage and operate in that sort of environment,” he said.
                  “Notwithstanding their efforts and their commitment and the determination and so on, they struggled. They struggled when we put body armour on them, when we put battle vests on them when we gave them weapons.”
                  Brig Gen Dignam said the troops were “game as you like”, but that 18 hours into the exercise it was apparent they could not keep up.

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                  • That's a pretty damning comment on the state of the reserve. When there was no such thing as fitness tests I could understand, but the gulf shouldn't be noticeably wide any more.
                    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                    • It think this is disgraceful. What about the PDF who cant pass a fitness test? We are about to start recruitment and it only bad news and from Generals it's not good enough. This should be challenged and he should be forced to correct the record. Today the RDF figures would not be the same. Again a disgraceful statement which will only do more damage, maybe that was the intent. Who knows.

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                      • Now I'm gone from the reserve since 2011 but could it be the case that the reason the troops struggled with body armour etc is that the reserve are not given the same access to them as the PDF?
                        Could the failure in training then fall back on his lap, him being the one responsible for it?
                        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                        • Unfortunately, the Generals' comments seem to be fair and balanced. He was a pains to highlight the reservists commitment and efforts to complete tasks and dedication to their roles. And positively commended those carrying out comms and sigs duties.

                          The reality is the Reserve doesn't get access to enough physical training to adequately prepare for tactical exercises that are prolonged within the current training structures.....which haven't changed in decades despite integration, re-organisation and comparible clothing and equipment. It's still an evening or day a week for the most part.

                          There's also a massive difference in the type of fitness needed to pass IT's in shorts and t-shirt and what's needed for continuous endurance events constantly carrying weight. Even the fittest person has to train up to exercising with weight carried, whatever their discipline.

                          And don't forget PDF units will regularly have combat PT sessions building up weights carried long before major exercises, ops are due to make sure troops are fit for them. And even then some troops struggle. How do you factor that level of PT training into the current Reserve training timetables without reducing all other training requirements?
                          Fate whispers to the warrior, "There is a storm coming"

                          And the warrior whispers back "I am the storm".

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                          • https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...sEnabled=false

                            The Brig Gen is not one to mince his words and tell it like it is

                            He is right to do so

                            If it puts off people who aren’t suitable good
                            Last edited by DeV; 27 February 2020, 12:29.

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                            • Paywalled.
                              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                              • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                                https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...sEnabled=false

                                The Brig Gen is not one to mince his words and tell it like it is

                                He is right to do so

                                If it puts off people who aren’t suitable good
                                Problem is for the people who are good enough the Reserve is not fit for purpose as it stands.

                                Compared to any other first world reserve component it still bears comparisons to Dads Army
                                Fate whispers to the warrior, "There is a storm coming"

                                And the warrior whispers back "I am the storm".

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