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  • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
    Ask yourself what regulation legally allows the department to pay RDF 10% less. FEMPI only applies to PDF and Haddington Road is not a document with the force of law.
    I think you'll find that someone will slot in RDF under DF when it suits and withdraw it from underneath that umbrella if it doesn't.
    Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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    • Read the thread title and then watch this video

      https://twitter.com/rdfrepassoc/stat...041531908?s=21

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      • Some buddies of mine are expressing concern, with a little touch of hostility when I suggest that I would have no problem taking time out to serve overseas and that includes all pre form up training etc etc. So as an organisation we really need to up our game and ensure we plan do and review in such a way to change the way our full time friends regard, so they know while we don't have the same skill set as them in a particular field, theres no reason we cant learn and share our experiences given the opportunity.
        Last edited by batterysgt; 28 November 2020, 16:24.

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        • Some buddies of mine are expressing concern, with a little touch of hostility when I suggest that I would have no problem taking time out to serve overseas and that includes all pre form up training etc etc
          I very much doubt an RDF man will go as part of a deploying Infantry platoon ; there will always be PDF to do that and they need it for their career.

          Those buddies of yours would they say the same if you were a Cook or a Doctor ?

          Hypothetical example Four people required to deploy to , oh I don't know, say Romania somewhere like Brasov to make up a Cyber exercise. Of the 3 people in the PDF who are qualified, two have young kids, if you send them one will go on the ticket at least, and the third is just back from deployment and you've promised her a standard course . Theres 6 Cyber reservists who want to go. ( and this IS a hypothetical exercise, and saying they can work remotely isnt the point, it has to be bums on seats)
          Last edited by trellheim; 28 November 2020, 17:54.
          "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

          "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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          • Than what does the infantry man do! I have skill sets that's can be used by the PDF when they need someone to go but why not infantry, it cant just be us and them, that's my point. Do the numbers of specialists v infantry, artillery, cavalry. How many trained cooks does the AR have? The detail will really be interesting and of course so will the KPIs and application process, no more gp medicals etc etc. Believe me I'm all for it, I just really feel that if not applied equally across the RDF then we will loose more.

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            • Originally posted by batterysgt View Post
              Than what does the infantry man do! I have skill sets that's can be used by the PDF when they need someone to go but why not infantry, it cant just be us and them, that's my point. Do the numbers of specialists v infantry, artillery, cavalry. How many trained cooks does the AR have? The detail will really be interesting and of course so will the KPIs and application process, no more gp medicals etc etc. Believe me I'm all for it, I just really feel that if not applied equally across the RDF then we will loose more.
              This is about a lot more than overseas (as in ops).

              The DF has lots of PDF infantry (on a paper at least) who have to go overseas in order to get an extension of service or promotion. Who is to say that an infantry man who is an engineer, cyber ninja etc can’t be deployed?

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              • Than what does the infantry man do! I have skill sets that's can be used by the PDF when they need someone to go but why not infantry, it cant just be us and them, that's my point. Do the numbers of specialists v infantry, artillery, cavalry. How many trained cooks does the AR have? The detail will really be interesting and of course so will the KPIs and application process, no more gp medicals etc etc. Believe me I'm all for it, I just really feel that if not applied equally across the RDF then we will loose more.
                As Dev says. We are reservists. There to augment. Do you honestly think the PDF will have a problem filling the numbers for a UN deployment of a "standard" mech infantry company from the ranks of the PDF ? Sit back and actually think about that. Even if one formation couldnt fill the numbers another formation would fill in the blank files. Thats not us and them , its reality and how is that "not applied equally across the RDF ?"


                If there's a vacancy for a Medical officer and there's no-one to go from the PDF, a qualified RDF man can perhaps apply. What is the issue there ? There will be enough nay-saying ( from direct personal experience back in 2008) to sink this most likely in any event.

                For example what specialist skills do you have that the PDF don't have in quantity ? The minister has already said its for specialists ..... ( in the Dail Committee on Thursday the minister said "including the question of deploying members of the Reserve Defence Force with specialist skills on overseas missions" ) and has been consistent on this point repeatedly so if you're not thinking along those lines then I am not sure what to tell you.

                As for the wider question of what is the actual purpose of RDF infantry after very long service (30 years) in the Infantry and now elsewhere its an excellent question as to what the serious role of RDF combat arm corps should be
                Last edited by trellheim; 28 November 2020, 19:46.
                "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                • Some of my skills inc IT, management and governance, not to mention 22yrs AR. But if I'm infantry or artillery etc and not being commissioned can I fill the role of a Lt in CIS if that is where the shortage is. The skills above are my civilian set.

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                  • Some of my skills inc IT, management and governance, not to mention 22yrs AR. But if I'm infantry or artillery etc and not being commissioned can I fill the role of a Lt in CIS if that is where the shortage is. The skills above are my civilian set.
                    My example above : trip to Romania - Cyber. I don't think the DF will commission you just like that though. The question would get asked - why arent you in CIS now then
                    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                    • Civilian skillsets are only part of the equation.

                      It is the conversion of those skillsets into deployable skillsets that is the challenge. E.g. it takes 18-24 months to convert a degree in engineering into a combat engineer or EOD. It takes over 12 months to convert a degree in a relevant field into a minimum standard CIS officer.

                      Just having a civilian skillset is a starting point. Not an end point

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                      • No I'm not in a cis unit, to far away to make that commute work.

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                        • Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
                          Civilian skillsets are only part of the equation.

                          It is the conversion of those skillsets into deployable skillsets that is the challenge. E.g. it takes 18-24 months to convert a degree in engineering into a combat engineer or EOD. It takes over 12 months to convert a degree in a relevant field into a minimum standard CIS officer.

                          Just having a civilian skillset is a starting point. Not an end point
                          I was thinking exaclty the same thing. Far more likely and logical to be an NCO specialist if utilised rather than an officer in a leadership role.

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                          • Originally posted by batterysgt View Post
                            Some of my skills inc IT, management and governance, not to mention 22yrs AR. But if I'm infantry or artillery etc and not being commissioned can I fill the role of a Lt in CIS if that is where the shortage is. The skills above are my civilian set.
                            Because the DF is only short of tech officers and NCOs have no tech qualifications???

                            I know of a number of RDF privates using their tech civvy skills on a regular basis to improve the lot of the DF

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                            • Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
                              Civilian skillsets are only part of the equation.

                              It is the conversion of those skillsets into deployable skillsets that is the challenge. E.g. it takes 18-24 months to convert a degree in engineering into a combat engineer or EOD. It takes over 12 months to convert a degree in a relevant field into a minimum standard CIS officer.

                              Just having a civilian skillset is a starting point. Not an end point
                              And that is a issue, not just for overseas but at home to fill an appointment!

                              Potentially some of it may have already been covered when the new commissioned officer was in that corps (if from that corps) also if they will bring experience from the relevant civvy employment (but obviously that isn’t going include the military elements).

                              Has to be recognised that there are currently RDF doing jobs in the DF at home (in uniform that the PDF have requested RDF support because they don’t have the skills at all)

                              Personally I think the most likely is that we will see RDF specialists deployed to complete a specific project if sent overseas operation for a short period (say an upgrade, some building work, etc etc).

                              Have repeat it again that this change is about a lot more on overseas ops

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                              • Flexibility is indeed key but as Fantasia points out every Corps has the relevant knowledge/price of entry. In some it is relatively easy to slot in (Medical Officer and even then rolleyes ) in others not so


                                To spin it on its head look at all the personnel deployed overseas right now. Here ( minister answered this 4 Nov 2020) https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2020-11-17a.31 is where we are overseas right now. Where would you fit in ? Ignore UNDOF and UNIFIL for the reasons I gave above.
                                "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                                "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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