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  • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
    Flexibility is indeed key but as Fantasia points out every Corps has the relevant knowledge/price of entry. In some it is relatively easy to slot in (Medical Officer and even then rolleyes ) in others not so


    To spin it on its head look at all the personnel deployed overseas right now. Here ( minister answered this 4 Nov 2020) https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2020-11-17a.31 is where we are overseas right now. Where would you fit in ? Ignore UNDOF and UNIFIL for the reasons I gave above.
    If RDF officers suddenly started taking all of the non troop missions there would be hell to pay! Observer missions require a minimum rank of Captain, as dictated by the UN, and they are seen as a reward and are hard come by.

    The problem is that the less desireable appointments require the greatest skillsets and carry the greatest risks.

    A reservist could easily drive around the roads of South Lebanon as a member of an infantry patrol. When everything goes right, there is not much to do. The problem comes when the SHTF and it goes from zero to 90 in 5 seconds and you need to be able to draw on skillsets.

    As it stands, I do not see any route to overseas for RDF. The RDF skillsets are just not in the places where the PDF have difficulties.

    Someone having a niche skillset that helps out in a specific circumstance is a million miles removed from being employable to fill a serial on an R&C. They may be able to travel as a work party for a week or 2 to address something, but a 6 month deployment is not on the cards from what I can see

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    • Just have to wait until the detail is published and hope that I will be eligible to apply, no difficulty taking the time off work to it. But needs to be in the next 4years or I'm to old.

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      • Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
        If RDF officers suddenly started taking all of the non troop missions there would be hell to pay! Observer missions require a minimum rank of Captain, as dictated by the UN, and they are seen as a reward and are hard come by.

        The problem is that the less desireable appointments require the greatest skillsets and carry the greatest risks.

        A reservist could easily drive around the roads of South Lebanon as a member of an infantry patrol. When everything goes right, there is not much to do. The problem comes when the SHTF and it goes from zero to 90 in 5 seconds and you need to be able to draw on skillsets.
        Also UNMO deployments are generally 12 months. In some cases, UNMO could be a lot more hazardous.

        And in a SHTF scenario that doesn’t mean the HQ personnel are immune to risk

        As it stands, I do not see any route to overseas for RDF. The RDF skillsets are just not in the places where the PDF have difficulties.

        Someone having a niche skillset that helps out in a specific circumstance is a million miles removed from being employable to fill a serial on an R&C. They may be able to travel as a work party for a week or 2 to address something, but a 6 month deployment is not on the cards from what I can see
        I can tell you there most definitely is. In some cases the RDF are the SMEs as they don’t exist in the PDF at all

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        • Originally posted by DeV View Post
          Also UNMO deployments are generally 12 months. In some cases, UNMO could be a lot more hazardous.

          And in a SHTF scenario that doesn’t mean the HQ personnel are immune to risk



          I can tell you there most definitely is. In some cases the RDF are the SMEs as they don’t exist in the PDF at all
          Very few UNMO deployments, outside of UNTSO are for 12 months.

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          • Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
            Very few UNMO deployments, outside of UNTSO are for 12 months.
            Stand corrected

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            • From RDFRA Facebook page a few days ago:

              Significant developments, from a Reserve Defence Force perspective, have occurred today in the Oireachtas. Cathal Berry TD’s section of the Defence (Amendment) Bill 2020 – that would permit members of the RDF to serve overseas for the activities outlined in the Defence (Amendment) Act 2006 – has been superseded by a new proposal from the Minister for Defence, Simon Coveney TD.

              The Minister is now proposing to amend both the Defence (Amendment) Act 2006 – which would allow members of the RDF to serve overseas in a variety of non-UN mission circumstances – as well as the Defence (Amendment) Act 1960, which does cover UN missions. In summary, the Minister’s new proposal will potentially open up the full range of overseas activities to members of the RDF.

              While this is still a developing situation, #RDFRA would like to stress that:

              1. Overseas service will be for those reservists who are identified as having desired qualifications/skillsets for a particular appointment or role.

              2. Such reservists as may go overseas will do so on a voluntary basis (i.e. reservists will not be compelled to go).

              3. While this is an excellent development for the RDF, RDFRA firmly support a ‘PDF-first’ policy for overseas service, as such service is fundamentally linked to a PDF member's income potential and career progression. Therefore, reservists should primarily be utilised overseas if they: (1) possess a required specialist qualification that simply does not exist within the PDF; (2) if they possess a required qualification that does exist within the PDF, but insufficient members of the PDF possessing this qualification have requested to go on the mission (i.e. the PDF have ‘first refusal’ for places on the mission); or (3) if the overseas activity is totally Reserve-specific and would not have involved members of the PDF anyway, or if RDF involvment would in no way prohibit similar involvement by the PDF (i.e. an international military competition, an international Reserve forces conference, an international training course that can only be attended by international Reserve forces or on which there are places for both Regular and Reserve elements, etc.)

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              • https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40192794.html

                Perhaps these could be crewed by NSR?

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                • Originally posted by batterysgt View Post
                  https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40192794.html

                  Perhaps these could be crewed by NSR?
                  Is there enough qualified NSR to crew them? At the size mentioned they will need a lot more than someone with a yachtmaster qualification.
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                  • Maybe that's true, is there different levels of yacht master? 10m, 30m 100m+??

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                    • Yacht master runs out at 24m.
                      As naval vessels these require crew experienced in all areas of naval patrolling, particularly the fisheries, customs and immigration legislation, in addition to the ability to act as a watchkeeping officer. At present I can think of 2 people in the entire NSR capable of this.
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                      • Only two. I really thought there was more than that. They would appear to be at sea and very active ( last 6 months not so). So lead me to that alot more had quals. My mistake.

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                        • Originally posted by batterysgt View Post
                          Only two. I really thought there was more than that. They would appear to be at sea and very active ( last 6 months not so). So lead me to that alot more had quals. My mistake.
                          When you say "at sea" do you mean aboard a naval vessel being shadowed at every move by their PDF colleagues, or tootling around Dublin bay, Cork Harbour or the Shannon Estuary on RHIBs?
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                          • These are full-time manned requirements. Complete opposite of Reserve taskings. In the abstract an RDF man currently if qualified can perform almost any job.
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                            • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                              When you say "at sea" do you mean aboard a naval vessel being shadowed at every move by their PDF colleagues, or tootling around Dublin bay, Cork Harbour or the Shannon Estuary on RHIBs?
                              Quite a few man days being spent at sea this year by NSR (on ships). Define tootling?

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                              • Will these delay NSR replacement boats?

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