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  • Defence Amendment Bill waiting time for committee stage. All time taken up with Budget this week. Hopefully next week or soon. No amendments currently showing.
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    • Originally posted by DaithiDub View Post

      I've seen both sides, and sometimes on the same four-day tacex. An RDF Lt and his mate the Sgt taking the FFR off to get ice-creams and takeaways for themselves while the rest of the pltn laboured away on building an FOB, and an RDF Sgt down from the School step in and take a direct hand to get things back on track. I'm a big fan of what happened when the US military needed to stand up reservist units prior to the Gulf War - start firing people until you get rid of the dead weight (****er 1 and ****er 2 in the story above were of course caught skiiving off by the PDF but suffered no consequences, which was the wrong move).
      I don't believe this.

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      • Defence Amendment Bill scheduled for Committee Stage in the Seanad Wed 20/10/21 @1545. No Committee amendments are there as yet. If that remains the case, then it should quickly pass the Seanad, and then just signature by the President left.
        "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

        "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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        • https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates...19/528/#pq_528

          The White Paper on Defence is clear that there is a continued requirement to retain and develop the Reserve Defence Force (RDF) and confirms that its primary role is to augment the Permanent Defence Force (PDF) in crisis situations. The White Paper acknowledges that there may be professional skills that on occasion may not be readily available in the PDF and outlines an intention to harness specialist skills that members of the Reserve may have to better support the PDF.

          As part of the High Level Implementation Plan (HLIP) arising from the Report of the Public Sector Pay Commission on recruitment and retention challenges in the Defence Forces, a Workforce Planning project is underway which will identify skills sets in the PDF and identify appropriate measures to address any such gaps. A skills survey already undertaken of the RDF will assist in identifying possible options to address gaps. Options to underpin the engagement of members of the Reserve will be identified as the various stages of this work unfold.

          As outlined in the White Paper on Defence, the Government has decided to retain the FLR. A review of the regulatory framework underpinning the FLR, with a view to presenting proposals on terms and conditions of membership, is due to commence upon completion of the projects arising from the HLIP.

          Recruitment to the RDF is ongoing and the recruitment procedures in place are constantly reviewed and updated as required. However, given the competing recruitment demands at present, where PDF recruitment is and should remain a priority, it should be noted that the same personnel and resources are utilised for both PDF and RDF recruitment. Nonetheless, RDF recruitment will also be progressed to the greatest extent possible.

          I understand that a revised Defence Forces framework for living with COVID -19 is now in place, based on the recent easing of Government restrictions and will afford more scope for Reserve Training within the parameters of government guidelines. This will further facilitate the commencement of the Reserve Defence Force Induction Process with planned induction training to commence shortly. A number of other initiatives to streamline the induction process for RDF applicants are also in train.

          Subhead A.5 of the Defence Vote contains the provisions for Reserve paid training. The overall budget for the RDF has been maintained for a number of years at €2.150m, of which €2.068m is allocated to paid training, which provides for seven days annual paid training for each effective member of the AR and NSR. The budget also provides for fourteen days paid training for all additional personnel recruited, along with career and specialist courses for selected members of the Reserve in line with Reserve priorities. This provision is sufficient having regard to the existing strength of the RDF and the voluntary nature of Reserve training.

          My officials have been actively involved with the Military Authorities on the process of amending and updating Defence Force Regulations (DFR) R5 (Structure of RDF) and S7 (Establishment of RDFRA). These DFRs encompass a broad range of matters ranging from Finance, Human Resource matters, Training to Effectiveness Criteria. Significant progress has been made and the revised drafts are currently being finalised. It is anticipated that final drafts of both Regulations will be available very shortly and will be circulated to key stakeholders, including RDFRA, the Representative Association for members of the RDF.

          As the Deputy is aware, I obtained Government approval earlier this year to bring forward a Defence (Amendment) Bill which, if approved, will update the Defence Legislation on the use of the RDF on a voluntary basis, on-island and overseas in support of the PDF. The Bill is entering Committee Stage this week.

          The Independent Commission on the Defence Forces, which as the Deputy will be aware, is also expected to include proposals on the role and contribution of the RDF, including its legislation, the regulations governing the RDF, the development of the First Line Reserve(FLR) and whether specialists from the RDF should be able to serve overseas. The Commission is due to report at the end of the year. I look forward to the outcome of the Commission's work, including any proposals relating to the future of the Reserve Defence Forces.

          I should add that the proposed amendments to this Bill, do not prejudge any possible recommendations from the Commission however, but will facilitate the implementation of any recommendations the Commission may make, which would, of necessity, require legislative amendments.

          I wish to assure the Deputy that the Government appreciates the service of the RDF and recognises its important contribution to Ireland's defence capability.
          "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

          "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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          • Originally posted by colonel decker View Post

            I don't believe this.
            It happened, whether you like it or not. I can name the Corps, the ex, the year and the culprits to the mods to verify.

            MOD: Don't feed the troll.
            apod
            Commander in Chief
            Last edited by apod; 1 November 2021, 19:57.

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            • It sounds like a pair that I know I'd believe the story.

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              • Report and Final Stages Wednesday
                "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                • appalling PQ showing RDF time-to-enlist https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates...02/460/#pq_460
                  "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                  "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                  • Another PQ, this one on RDF pay.

                    In it, the minister mentions "Under FEMPI measures, the pay cuts that applied to the PDF also applied to the RDF" .

                    I am unaware ANYWHERE in FEMPI legislation of this provision and would appreciate if anyone is, if they could let me know. I conducted a detailed search on this.

                    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates...02/466/#pq_466
                    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                    • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                      Another PQ, this one on RDF pay.

                      In it, the minister mentions "Under FEMPI measures, the pay cuts that applied to the PDF also applied to the RDF" .

                      I am unaware ANYWHERE in FEMPI legislation of this provision and would appreciate if anyone is, if they could let me know. I conducted a detailed search on this.

                      https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates...02/466/#pq_466
                      It would be R5 (same rate as PDF ….) rather than FEMPI.


                      Same reply says that Coy Comdr approves up to 28 days…. If only

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                      • No R5 refers to the rate in S3. S3 has NOT been updated for FEMPI.
                        "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                        "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                        • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                          appalling PQ showing RDF time-to-enlist https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates...02/460/#pq_460
                          Remembering those are averages and the amount enlisted is small. Some places were able to do that whole process in a fraction of the time in others it was 12 months plus, pre-covid!

                          i joined a good while ago, up to local centre a few weeks before my 17th birthday. If I had have been able to get to an appointment (can’t remember which one) I would have been on my first camp within 3 months (the only difference then was no fitness test and that Garda clearance was by local Collator). It took me 5 months (with a 2 month summer break) of course it took me another 2 months to get my uniform by hey.

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                          • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                            No R5 refers to the rate in S3. S3 has NOT been updated for FEMPI.
                            We need auldsud

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                            • Originally posted by DeV View Post

                              We need auldsud
                              I was looking at the legislation there. The FEMPI legislation directly references Permanent Defence Forces ONLY.
                              trellheim
                              Lord Chief Bottlewasher
                              trellheim is correct.

                              What happened with the divergence between S3 and where actual pay levels went was an oversight. Reserve pay was barely a consideration back in 2009 I'd imagine. Different and dark times.

                              However poor the wording of the law with reference (or not) to the RDF - the spirit of said law was no doubt that the RDF should also see a pay cut.

                              Personally I don't see this as an issue that needs to be dragged up again and I'm assuming nobody would be expectant of back pay as the 'Reserve Defence Forces' wasn't referenced in primary legislation?

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                              • One last point from me. I do find it incredulous that the RDF wasn't worth a mention in FEMPI legislation but was sufficiently important enough to be targeted for a 10% cut in Haddington Road.

                                I'd imagine the actual amounts of reserve pay saved since then have been minuscule within overall DF pay expenditure let alone the wider public service. Water under bridge now though!
                                Auldsod
                                Sergeant Major
                                Last edited by Auldsod; 5 November 2021, 13:12.

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