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  • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
    "About time. Has it enshrined Career courses as a pre requsite for promotion? There were a few amendments recently to the Admin Instruction but they were mainly to do with the AR Officer promotion competitions,nothing about enlisted."

    Not for all ranks. 2lT-Lt, and Lt-Capt no career course requirement.
    For now. Odd that they are required for the senior ranks but not Junior/ mid ranking Orrificers.
    Last edited by apod; 5 July 2022, 14:02.
    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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    • Possibly because of the low uptake of the Infantry YO's and the lack of personnel to run a Corps specific YO course. There are plenty of Lt's out there without it done, who will get the 3rd pip before the one's that have it done, purely down to length of time served. The average age of a LT now is probably mid to late forties. The idea of having to complete a fairly physical YO's just wouldn't appeal to them. The Stanfard Officer course and beyond are class based with no ground element so would suit the older gentlemen and ladies that bit better hence it was kept.

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      • I was going to say the same. e.g. when was the last RDF Tpt Officer YO's course for example ?
        "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

        "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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        • Originally posted by Infy View Post
          Possibly because of the low uptake of the Infantry YO's and the lack of personnel to run a Corps specific YO course. There are plenty of Lt's out there without it done, who will get the 3rd pip before the one's that have it done, purely down to length of time served. The average age of a LT now is probably mid to late forties. The idea of having to complete a fairly physical YO's just wouldn't appeal to them. The Stanfard Officer course and beyond are class based with no ground element so would suit the older gentlemen and ladies that bit better hence it was kept.
          The low uptake has probably got to do with the lack of incentive to complete it. Not a requirement for the third pip at present so why bother?

          As for average ages and older officers.What about the new Officers that have started coming through?? Prime example being people Commissioned from 2* rank. Most of those lads/lasses would be relatively young. Whats their incentive to push themselves if they see older people being promoted purely on time served??

          As for Classroom based to suit the older Gents/Ladies. What a crock of shit. So the AR wants Officers who know lots of theory with no field practice?? Great idea that.

          Having read over DFR R5 today their are derogations for Officers commissioned pre 2005 IIRC. Let them serve out their time but don't disenfranchise Young Officers because of them.
          "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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          • Having read over DFR R5 today their are derogations for Officers commissioned pre 2005 IIRC
            This pool is shrinking rapidly. Its 17 years gone since 2005.

            And, as with the PDF JC&S , RDF standard officer is largely classroom based. This became very evident on the few Bde exercises when we needed to be able to develop Bde-level product and we needed those skills.
            "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

            "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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            • Originally posted by apod View Post

              The low uptake has probably got to do with the lack of incentive to complete it. Not a requirement for the third pip at present so why bother?

              As for average ages and older officers.What about the new Officers that have started coming through?? Prime example being people Commissioned from 2* rank. Most of those lads/lasses would be relatively young. Whats their incentive to push themselves if they see older people being promoted purely on time served??

              As for Classroom based to suit the older Gents/Ladies. What a crock of shit. So the AR wants Officers who know lots of theory with no field practice?? Great idea that.

              Having read over DFR R5 today their are derogations for Officers commissioned pre 2005 IIRC. Let them serve out their time but don't disenfranchise Young Officers because of them.
              On the age point, the recent class has not had as drastic a reduction on the average age as you'd think. A good chunk of those commissioned were in their 30's, and at least one or two were in their 40's.
              What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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              • Originally posted by ODIN View Post

                On the age point, the recent class has not had as drastic a reduction on the average age as you'd think. A good chunk of those commissioned were in their 30's, and at least one or two were in their 40's.
                Simple solution.Copy the PDF POs cse/late entry commission system. Pte 2* etc Commission as 2/Lts with a requirement to do the YOs course for promotion to Lt and Capt.NCO's up to Sgt commissioned as Lt's with no requirement to complete YO's if Standard course completed.Upper age limit onto acceptance on the course in those ranks.

                AR SNCO's Commissioned as Capt's with no requirement to complete YO's as they would have to have the SNCO/LOGS course completed.Upper age limit on acceptance onto the course.
                "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                • Originally posted by apod View Post

                  Simple solution.Copy the PDF POs cse/late entry commission system. Pte 2* etc Commission as 2/Lts with a requirement to do the YOs course for promotion to Lt and Capt.NCO's up to Sgt commissioned as Lt's with no requirement to complete YO's if Standard course completed.Upper age limit onto acceptance on the course in those ranks.

                  AR SNCO's Commissioned as Capt's with no requirement to complete YO's as they would have to have the SNCO/LOGS course completed.Upper age limit on acceptance onto the course.
                  Not a bad idea!
                  What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                  • AR SNCO's Commissioned as Capt's with no requirement to complete YO's
                    In all my time SNCO to Officer is one of the rarest breeds you will see (long term SNCO) . Some you might see CS for a year maybe and then commission but a long term CS going officer ? Never.
                    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                    • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                      In all my time SNCO to Officer is one of the rarest breeds you will see (long term SNCO) . Some you might see CS for a year maybe and then commission but a long term CS going officer ? Never.
                      I know of 2 (FCA/RDF) CS’s who were commissioned (not sure how long they were in rank) but it is potentially possible

                      only restriction really is age (35 or 45 if they have a degree)

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                      • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                        I was going to say the same. e.g. when was the last RDF Tpt Officer YO's course for example ?
                        2013
                        "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                        • Not impossible, no, but most will have selected into the officer track beforehand.
                          "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                          "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                          • Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post

                            2013
                            has there been a requirement since?

                            I’d hazard a guess at not until the last year or so

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                            • Do we know if there are many other changes in R5? Anything with regards age limits for staying in service, etc?

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                              • Originally posted by Auldsod View Post
                                Do we know if there are many other changes in R5? Anything with regards age limits for staying in service, etc?
                                Other ranks no change except now you can apply for an age extension to allow service up to age 61/51 (depending on when you joined as per previous R5)

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