The Future of the Army Reserve - Discuss

[DeV]

R5 already has rejoining exers allowed to take up their PDF rank not sure what else you want here ?


Para 11 : An enlistment in the Reserve Defence Force for service in either the Reserve of Enlisted Personnel (Army Reserve) or the Reserve of Enlisted Personnel (Naval Service Reserve) shall be in the rank of Private or Seaman, provided, however, that a former enlisted person of the Permanent Defence Force or of the Reserve of Men (First Line) to whom paragraph 7(1)(a)applies may be enlisted—
in the non-commissioned rank last held by him or her, or
in the non-commissioned army rank corresponding to the non-commissioned naval rank last held by him or her in the Permanent Defence Force, or in the Reserve of Men (First Line),

if a vacancy exists in Establishments for a non-commissioned officer of such rank or, if such vacancy does not exist, in a lower non-commissioned rank in which there is a vacancy.

Notice the word “non-“

[trellheim]

are you arguing for ex-officers to be allowed recommission into the 2LR at previous rank or what ? There is currently no provision for that, true except via 1LR

[DeV]

are you arguing for ex-officers to be allowed recommission into the 2LR at previous rank or what ? There is currently no provision for that, true except via 1LR

If other ranks can why not officers?

no reason not to make amendments to allow it

[batterysgt]

are you arguing for ex-officers to be allowed recommission into the 2LR at previous rank or what ? There is currently no provision for that, true except via 1LR

Why not all, enlisted pdf can go from PDF to 2nd but commissioned officer can only go to 2nd via 1st. Why not allow a choice of either. There are plenty of vacancies at some ranks but very few at the higher end. I really enjoyed my pdf time and only left for financial reasons, can't say the same for my time with 2nd Line but that's a small few who have the rank = control. They show very little leadership (not painting all just the ones I personally know, tea drinkers some called them on this forum).
imagine if the knowledge and experience they could offer.

[trellheim]

Enlisted cannot go directly from PDF to 2LR - it's a re-enlist but you get your old rank back . Officers can go from 1LR to 2LR R5 Para 29. An officer of the Reserve of Officers (First Line) who is less than 53 years of age may, with his or her consent, be assigned, pursuant to section 44(2) of the Act, to the Reserve of Officers (Army Reserve), or the Reserve of Officers (Naval Service Reserve) as appropriate, in the commissioned rank corresponding to the commissioned rank held by him or her on the last day of his or her service as an officer of the Reserve of Officers (First Line), subject to the existence of a vacancy in that rank in Establishments""

( the above provision is what I'd like to see copied for enlisted , or better yet 1day service in 1LR and then transfer) - anything else requires a change to the Act.

[DeV]

What should be allowed is a direct transfer from PDF to SLR and FLR for all ranks. Keep service number, keep qualifications

[batterysgt]

Enlisted cannot go directly from PDF to 2LR - it's a re-enlist but you get your old rank back . Officers can go from 1LR to 2LR R5 Para 29. An officer of the Reserve of Officers (First Line) who is less than 53 years of age may, with his or her consent, be assigned, pursuant to section 44(2) of the Act, to the Reserve of Officers (Army Reserve), or the Reserve of Officers (Naval Service Reserve) as appropriate, in the commissioned rank corresponding to the commissioned rank held by him or her on the last day of his or her service as an officer of the Reserve of Officers (First Line), subject to the existence of a vacancy in that rank in Establishments""

( the above provision is what I'd like to see copied for enlisted , or better yet 1day service in 1LR and then transfer) - anything else requires a change to the Act.

Technically you are correct. In reality, as it happened to me, one day your an nco in the BDE and the next your an nco in rdf unit in same BDE and barracks.

[trellheim]

For Enlisted : Transfer to 1LR on TOE or retirement is already in regs. What is not in regs is transfer to 2LR , so yes, that should be added - but , as I said above there is resistance to this.

For officers : no transfer to 1LR exists - it's a recommission as the Act doesn't allow for it . See S42 ( compare with S53 (2)(b) ) BUT that should be no issue as thats what R1 is all about and we already have regs for it.

[DeV]

For Enlisted : Transfer to 1LR on TOE or retirement is already in regs. What is not in regs is transfer to 2LR , so yes, that should be added - but , as I said above there is resistance to this.

For officers : no transfer to 1LR exists - it's a recommission as the Act doesn't allow for it . See S42 ( compare with S53 (2)(b) ) BUT that should be no issue as thats what R1 is all about and we already have regs for it.

Ah interesting about the recommissioning

neither R1 or R2 seems to provide for transfer to SLR

[DeV]

From Irish Defence Forces Veterans News Facebook page:

From an online post.

The Irish Defence Force Veterans (IDV) of the Permanent Defence Forces (PDF) are expected to take up vacancies in the Reserve Defence Forces (RDF) in the near future, as the Minister is set to make an announcement soon. The move comes as a response to the large number of personnel leaving the Defence Forces, and the resulting vacancies in the RDF. Additionally, the issue of ageism within the Defence Forces community has been highlighted by the Civil Defence for years, and it is from this angle that the policy change has been directed.

The Irish Defence Forces are made up of the Army, Naval Service, and Air Corps. The Permanent Defence Forces (PDF) are the full-time personnel who work in these branches. The Reserve Defence Forces (RDF) are made up of part-time personnel who provide support to the PDF. The RDF is a voluntary force, and members are paid for their time and commitment.

In recent years, there has been a significant outflow of personnel from the Defence Forces. According to figures released by the Department of Defence, in 2020 alone, 1,018 personnel left the Defence Forces. This represents a 3.7% decrease in the strength of the Permanent Defence Forces. The reasons for this outflow are complex, but include issues such as low pay, poor working conditions, and lack of opportunities for career advancement.

This exodus of personnel has resulted in significant vacancies in the RDF. In 2020, the RDF had a total strength of 3,400 personnel. However, this number is expected to decrease significantly in the coming years as a large number of RDF members reach retirement age. This has led to concerns about the capacity of the RDF to carry out its duties effectively.

One of the key factors contributing to the personnel exodus from the Defence Forces is the issue of ageism. Many Defence Forces personnel feel that they are being forced to retire prematurely, simply because of their age. This has been a particular concern for members of the RDF, who often have valuable skills and experience that they can bring to the table.

The issue of ageism within the Defence Forces community has been highlighted by the Civil Defence for years. The Civil Defence is a volunteer-based organization that works closely with the Defence Forces. It provides support services such as search and rescue, emergency response, and disaster relief. In a report published in 2018, the Civil Defence noted that "ageism is an issue of concern within the Defence Forces community, particularly in relation to the RDF". The report went on to suggest that "policy changes may be required to address this issue".

It is from this angle that the policy change to allow IDV personnel to join the RDF has been directed. The move is designed to address the issue of ageism within the Defence Forces community, and to ensure that valuable skills and experience are not lost due to premature retirement.

The decision to allow IDV personnel to join the RDF has been welcomed by many within the Defence Forces community. However, there are also concerns about how this will work in practice. For example, there are questions about how the training and integration of IDV personnel into the RDF will be managed, and whether there will be any issues with chain of command.

Despite these concerns, there is a general feeling that this policy change is a step in the right direction. It is hoped that it will help to address the issues of personnel outflow and RDF vacancies, while also tackling the issue of ageism within the Defence Forces community.

In conclusion, the policy change to allow IDV personnel to join the RDF is a positive step towards addressing the issue of ageism within the Defence Forces community. It is hoped that this move will help to alleviate some of the pressure on the RDF and the Defence Forces as a whole, and that it will encourage more people to join the Reserve. However, it is important to remember that this is just one step towards addressing the wider issues facing the Defence Forces, and that further action will be required to fully address these issues

[trellheim]

Oh what now

[Auldsod]

I'm also kind of confused by this one. Seems to be nothing more substantial than a Facebook post.

There are already paths into the RDF immediately after PDF service or after a break. The issue they are raising is ageism. Is the suggestion here that long retired PDF members will come back into service?

You were leaving a grenade here DeV ????

[trellheim]

exers throwing shapes is nothing new tho

[DeV]

I'm also kind of confused by this one. Seems to be nothing more substantial than a Facebook post.

There are already paths into the RDF immediately after PDF service or after a break. The issue they are raising is ageism. Is the suggestion here that long retired PDF members will come back into service?

You were leaving a grenade here DeV ????

There is a pathway but it’s inconsistent and admin intensive (unnecessarily).

if it was encouraged from around 2008, the AR/NSR wouldn’t be in the State it’s in

this isn’t my post Auldsod, I no nothing more than what it says

[Auldsod]

I was only pulling your leg but the post you found did give me a laugh. Just have an imagine of ONE types well into their sixties and having retired decades ago rejoining to do God knows what!