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  • Originally posted by DeV View Post
    The idea of a Specialist Reserve is idiotic. Just use the DFHQ and tech appointments.

    BTW there are no WP projects that are specific to the General RDF.
    What has DFHQ got to bring to the picnic?

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    • Originally posted by danno View Post
      .....€700 gross....., thats the question I put in earlier, would you not be graded as a Comdt/Lt/Col and be on an officers scale @ class 3?
      Captain MO is approx €1k a week (after the 10% cut), Comdt €1,100, Lt Col €1,300

      Still substantially less

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      • Originally posted by ropebag View Post
        This rather avoids the awkward reality that if you got those people with those skills through the door, and told them that the only openings available to them were as doctors or VM's or fitters or whatever, at least half of them would tell you to get lost immediately, and half of the rest will walk away within a year - worse, you'll suffer significant reputation damage within those industries because there'll be so many who've had a bad experience of the reserves.

        If you want to recruit specialists then you have to offer an attractive package - and given that specialists either earn lots of money or work in an interesting, challenging environment, you have to offer more than that.

        Money is out, so you need to offer something they can't get at work - and that is overseas...
        And with overseas comes .... money

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        • Originally posted by danno View Post
          What has DFHQ got to bring to the picnic?
          Up to xx RDF personnel who are supposed to have specialist skills.... I'm not saying those there don't by the way

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          • Originally posted by DeV View Post
            And with overseas comes .... money
            Cant see it being money driven on the part of the SR'ist, given the amount of time needed for MRE's etc , impact on career etc . Wonder what specialist role would be offered to the chap who qualified whilst in the PDF as an electronic engineer (FCH) , hardly have him in a shed charging batteries again!

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            • Originally posted by danno View Post
              Cant see it being money driven on the part of the SR'ist, given the amount of time needed for MRE's etc , impact on career etc . Wonder what specialist role would be offered to the chap who qualified whilst in the PDF as an electronic engineer (FCH) , hardly have him in a shed charging batteries again!
              Reading some ODF reports you'd be surprised

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              • Originally posted by danno View Post
                What has DFHQ got to bring to the picnic?
                There are 30 reserve appointments in DFHQ that were designed to target reservists with specific skills that the DF might require.

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                • his rather avoids the awkward reality that if you got those people with those skills through the door, and told them that the only openings available to them were as doctors or VM's or fitters or whatever, at least half of them would tell you to get lost immediately, and half of the rest will walk away within a year - worse, you'll suffer significant reputation damage within those industries because there'll be so many who've had a bad experience of the reserves.

                  If you want to recruit specialists then you have to offer an attractive package - and given that specialists either earn lots of money or work in an interesting, challenging environment, you have to offer more than that.

                  Money is out, so you need to offer something they can't get at work - and that is overseas...
                  I am in no way suggesting that anything other than honesty be shown these folk before they sign up. It has been shown repeatedly that people will serve if they think it is worth it to the state. However there is truth in what you say - there needs to be something to make it worthwhile too. But we still see people joining the General Reserve.

                  This doesn't stop us needing 50 doctors right now at home though - so there's that.
                  "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                  "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                  • Cant see it being money driven on the part of the SR'ist, given the amount of time needed for MRE's etc , impact on career etc . Wonder what specialist role would be offered to the chap who qualified whilst in the PDF as an electronic engineer (FCH) , hardly have him in a shed charging batteries again!
                    This is a very valid point for O'seas as at least 12 months out would be needed of your career for formup, training , deployment, leave etc afterwards ; certain careers can wear this without detriment , others cannot. Also a rank structure would be needed that you would fit into ; doctors as Comdts is very well but similar would be needed outside that for specialists , not everyone would be a 3*, some would carry rank both enlisted and commissioned.

                    You'd also need something to make your pay and pension match while you were gone as well ,
                    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                    • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                      This is a very valid point for O'seas as at least 12 months out would be needed of your career for formup, training , deployment, leave etc afterwards ; certain careers can wear this without detriment , others cannot. Also a rank structure would be needed that you would fit into ; doctors as Comdts is very well but similar would be needed outside that for specialists , not everyone would be a 3*, some would carry rank both enlisted and commissioned.

                      You'd also need something to make your pay and pension match while you were gone as well ,
                      ... In fact (highlighted above), a period of EIGHTEEN MONTHS was being proposed for Integrated Reservists a few years ago for serving overseas - 6 months formup, 6 months overseas and 6 months post tour.
                      All this without legislative cover to protect the reservist's civilian employment status. It's to the credit of those who were all set to go overseas that they could have managed this at all...
                      "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                      • On the subject of people looking to not use their professional skills in the reserve, I don't see any issue with that.
                        It's not a question of whether or not you see the reserve as a hobby or not.

                        For example, in the PDF, what stops a qualified engineer enlisting as an infantry rifleman?
                        It doesn't mean that they consider the PDF a hobby, just something they want to do that
                        is different to their qualification.

                        I've known qualified mechanical engineers with industry experience who have served as Line Officers in the PDF.
                        Why force the RDF to be different?

                        Use Reserve Civie Skills 100% where you have qualified and willing people, and where they are not willing allow
                        them the same options as a person without those skills, whatever those options are.
                        Scheduled fun will commence at 1900Hrs.
                        Punishment beatings will continue until moral improves.

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                        • On the subject of people looking to not use their professional skills in the reserve, I don't see any issue with that.
                          It's not a question of whether or not you see the reserve as a hobby or not.

                          For example, in the PDF, what stops a qualified engineer enlisting as an infantry rifleman?
                          It doesn't mean that they consider the PDF a hobby, just something they want to do that
                          is different to their qualification.

                          I've known qualified mechanical engineers with industry experience who have served as Line Officers in the PDF.
                          Why force the RDF to be different?

                          Use Reserve Civie Skills 100% where you have qualified and willing people, and where they are not willing allow
                          them the same options as a person without those skills, whatever those options are.

                          For me although others opinions may vary
                          The DF does not exist to serve the needs of those enlisting, quite the opposite, it exists to serve the State. If I have 2000 lads waiting for a medical should I let a Doctor be a rifleman . That's a short debate in my mind.
                          "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                          "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                          • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                            ...The DF does not exist to serve the needs of those enlisting, quite the opposite, it exists to serve the State.
                            the DF can only serve the state if it exists, and if it doesn't have a sufficiently attractive package to a attract the people it needs to do the jobs then it won't exist and therefore can't serve the state.

                            if you can't attact doctors then either you aren't paying enough or aren't offering an interesting enough package to compensate for the lacxk of comparative cash.

                            welcome to Kapitalism comrade...

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                            • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                              For me although others opinions may vary
                              The DF does not exist to serve the needs of those enlisting, quite the opposite, it exists to serve the State. If I have 2000 lads waiting for a medical should I let a Doctor be a rifleman . That's a short debate in my mind.

                              As AC182 says the DF doesn't utilise the skills of people joining the PDF (never mind RDF). Unless the army paid for it they won't recognise it.

                              "Voluntary" also comes to mind.

                              I know of NAS personnel who have instructed/examined PDF personnel, who are in the RDF, yet once they are in DPM guess what happens

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                              • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                                As AC182 says the DF doesn't utilise the skills of people joining the PDF (never mind RDF). Unless the army paid for it they won't recognise it.

                                "Voluntary" also comes to mind.

                                I know of NAS personnel who have instructed/examined PDF personnel, who are in the RDF, yet once they are in DPM guess what happens
                                I know a fully qualified paramedic - who I was serving with in the RDF was to give a lecture and 1 day training course in some basic triage and how to treat gunshot wounds etc - at the final moment - a crusty old PDF medic from the medical corps told him to stand down, that he would give the lecture. I know a fair bit about first aid etc, but the heresy this lad spouted - Worst. Lecture. Ever

                                More importantly, although he has trained military personnel in his paramedic capacity, his paramedic qualification - isnt recognised by the military.
                                "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
                                "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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