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Originally posted by danno View Post.....€700 gross....., thats the question I put in earlier, would you not be graded as a Comdt/Lt/Col and be on an officers scale @ class 3?
Still substantially less
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Originally posted by ropebag View PostThis rather avoids the awkward reality that if you got those people with those skills through the door, and told them that the only openings available to them were as doctors or VM's or fitters or whatever, at least half of them would tell you to get lost immediately, and half of the rest will walk away within a year - worse, you'll suffer significant reputation damage within those industries because there'll be so many who've had a bad experience of the reserves.
If you want to recruit specialists then you have to offer an attractive package - and given that specialists either earn lots of money or work in an interesting, challenging environment, you have to offer more than that.
Money is out, so you need to offer something they can't get at work - and that is overseas...
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Originally posted by DeV View PostAnd with overseas comes .... money
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Originally posted by danno View PostCant see it being money driven on the part of the SR'ist, given the amount of time needed for MRE's etc , impact on career etc . Wonder what specialist role would be offered to the chap who qualified whilst in the PDF as an electronic engineer (FCH) , hardly have him in a shed charging batteries again!
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his rather avoids the awkward reality that if you got those people with those skills through the door, and told them that the only openings available to them were as doctors or VM's or fitters or whatever, at least half of them would tell you to get lost immediately, and half of the rest will walk away within a year - worse, you'll suffer significant reputation damage within those industries because there'll be so many who've had a bad experience of the reserves.
If you want to recruit specialists then you have to offer an attractive package - and given that specialists either earn lots of money or work in an interesting, challenging environment, you have to offer more than that.
Money is out, so you need to offer something they can't get at work - and that is overseas...
This doesn't stop us needing 50 doctors right now at home though - so there's that."Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "
"No, they're trying to fly the tank"
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Cant see it being money driven on the part of the SR'ist, given the amount of time needed for MRE's etc , impact on career etc . Wonder what specialist role would be offered to the chap who qualified whilst in the PDF as an electronic engineer (FCH) , hardly have him in a shed charging batteries again!
You'd also need something to make your pay and pension match while you were gone as well ,"Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "
"No, they're trying to fly the tank"
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Originally posted by trellheim View PostThis is a very valid point for O'seas as at least 12 months out would be needed of your career for formup, training , deployment, leave etc afterwards ; certain careers can wear this without detriment , others cannot. Also a rank structure would be needed that you would fit into ; doctors as Comdts is very well but similar would be needed outside that for specialists , not everyone would be a 3*, some would carry rank both enlisted and commissioned.
You'd also need something to make your pay and pension match while you were gone as well ,
All this without legislative cover to protect the reservist's civilian employment status. It's to the credit of those who were all set to go overseas that they could have managed this at all..."Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"
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On the subject of people looking to not use their professional skills in the reserve, I don't see any issue with that.
It's not a question of whether or not you see the reserve as a hobby or not.
For example, in the PDF, what stops a qualified engineer enlisting as an infantry rifleman?
It doesn't mean that they consider the PDF a hobby, just something they want to do that
is different to their qualification.
I've known qualified mechanical engineers with industry experience who have served as Line Officers in the PDF.
Why force the RDF to be different?
Use Reserve Civie Skills 100% where you have qualified and willing people, and where they are not willing allow
them the same options as a person without those skills, whatever those options are.Scheduled fun will commence at 1900Hrs.
Punishment beatings will continue until moral improves.
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On the subject of people looking to not use their professional skills in the reserve, I don't see any issue with that.
It's not a question of whether or not you see the reserve as a hobby or not.
For example, in the PDF, what stops a qualified engineer enlisting as an infantry rifleman?
It doesn't mean that they consider the PDF a hobby, just something they want to do that
is different to their qualification.
I've known qualified mechanical engineers with industry experience who have served as Line Officers in the PDF.
Why force the RDF to be different?
Use Reserve Civie Skills 100% where you have qualified and willing people, and where they are not willing allow
them the same options as a person without those skills, whatever those options are.
For me although others opinions may vary
The DF does not exist to serve the needs of those enlisting, quite the opposite, it exists to serve the State. If I have 2000 lads waiting for a medical should I let a Doctor be a rifleman . That's a short debate in my mind."Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "
"No, they're trying to fly the tank"
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Originally posted by trellheim View Post...The DF does not exist to serve the needs of those enlisting, quite the opposite, it exists to serve the State.
if you can't attact doctors then either you aren't paying enough or aren't offering an interesting enough package to compensate for the lacxk of comparative cash.
welcome to Kapitalism comrade...
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Originally posted by trellheim View PostFor me although others opinions may vary
The DF does not exist to serve the needs of those enlisting, quite the opposite, it exists to serve the State. If I have 2000 lads waiting for a medical should I let a Doctor be a rifleman . That's a short debate in my mind.
As AC182 says the DF doesn't utilise the skills of people joining the PDF (never mind RDF). Unless the army paid for it they won't recognise it.
"Voluntary" also comes to mind.
I know of NAS personnel who have instructed/examined PDF personnel, who are in the RDF, yet once they are in DPM guess what happens
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Originally posted by DeV View PostAs AC182 says the DF doesn't utilise the skills of people joining the PDF (never mind RDF). Unless the army paid for it they won't recognise it.
"Voluntary" also comes to mind.
I know of NAS personnel who have instructed/examined PDF personnel, who are in the RDF, yet once they are in DPM guess what happens
More importantly, although he has trained military personnel in his paramedic capacity, his paramedic qualification - isnt recognised by the military."He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
"No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."
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