Various points regarding transport

[concussion]

So the potential for accidents is still there. Statistically most accidents happen close to the destination.

Of course the chance is there, but it's minimised by the fact they haven't been up all night like the rest of the troops.

[The Prisoner]

Dropping people home in service vehicles is not permitted by DSO's. As a minimum the driver should get his paperwork endorsed by an Officer. If a mishap occured the driver could be charged with being off route, unauthorised journey, not to mention responsibility to make good any damage.

[concussion]

Thanks for that. It certainly goes against looking after the troops though, IMO.


How, according to the DF, are troops supposed to return home when they are fatigued after partaking in military activities? Bus or taxi to be paid out of gratuity payment I assume?

[DeV]

Exactly greyfox, transport is normally provided to your centre location/duty location. The driver has to take the most direct route between points (so no detours).

[luchi]

Ha Ha, who says its against DSOs?

You could be Detailed to go to peoples houses.

Your detail instructions could be "as directed"

Now if the detail instructions say Mckee Bks to Naas then you have no business being in Dunlaoire. However if the instructions say Dublin to Naas you could legitamately be picking up in Howth enroute.

[concussion]

Ha Ha, who says its against DSOs?

You could be Detailed to go to peoples houses.

Your detail instructions could be "as directed"

Now if the detail instructions say Mckee Bks to Naas then you have no business being in Dunlaoire. However if the instructions say Dublin to Naas you could legitamately be picking up in Howth enroute.

Thanks for that Luchi. I'm not a driver so I know nothing of DSO's.

[The Prisoner]

Now Luchi you full know what's in the DSO's. Or do you?

Collecting people and dropping them off at their homes, etc., is strictly forbidden per DSO's.

"As directed" means SFA in this case. You can only be directed by an Officer where military transport is concerned. Any driver with a bit of cop on won't fall for that lark, he/she should get the AF endorsed and then carry out the order. As you are well aware when the AF is produced for signing there never seems to be a biro around or the Officer has suddenly being called away.

[Traumagod]

Now Luchi you full know what's in the DSO's. Or do you?

Collecting people and dropping them off at their homes, etc., is strictly forbidden per DSO's.

"As directed" means SFA in this case. You can only be directed by an Officer where military transport is concerned. Any driver with a bit of cop on won't fall for that lark, he/she should get the AF endorsed and then carry out the order. As you are well aware when the AF is produced for signing there never seems to be a biro around or the Officer has suddenly being called away.

Ossifers don't like endorsing STAD's, they are afraid of them and think they have bad juju

[luchi]

Now Luchi you full know what's in the DSO's. Or do you?

Collecting people and dropping them off at their homes, etc., is strictly forbidden per DSO's.

"As directed" means SFA in this case. You can only be directed by an Officer where military transport is concerned. Any driver with a bit of cop on won't fall for that lark, he/she should get the AF endorsed and then carry out the order. As you are well aware when the AF is produced for signing there never seems to be a biro around or the Officer has suddenly being called away.

Like to try and quote section and paragraph number?

There are plenty of examples of militery vehicles going to homes and other civvi locations to pick up or drop off people.

In the event of someone reporting sick the duty driver can be dispatched to colledt that person from their home address, bring them to see the MO and if deemed by the MO bring them home are where ever else directed by the MO.

[DeV]

The driver drives as detailed (eg along the most direct route to A B & C as detailed on the STAD).

The STAD is made up for and signed by the Requisition Officer (with the starting point for the pick up & the destination). It is then approved by the transport officer (or any commissioned officer). At the end of the detail the driver fills in his route, something like "CBB -> Kilbride -> Wexford -> CBB" or whatever. If he was detailed to drive to Kilbride & back only the trip to Wexford must be extra part of the detail must be filled in and signed by a commissioned officer. Failure to do so would lead to a charge of exceeding detailing instructions.

[luchi]

The driver drives as detailed (eg along the most direct route to A B & C as detailed on the STAD).

The STAD is made up for and signed by the Requisition Officer (with the starting point for the pick up & the destination). It is then approved by the transport officer (or any commissioned officer). At the end of the detail the driver fills in his route, something like "CBB -> Kilbride -> Wexford -> CBB" or whatever. If he was detailed to drive to Kilbride & back only the trip to Wexford must be extra part of the detail must be filled in and signed by a commissioned officer. Failure to do so would lead to a charge of exceeding detailing instructions.

Again I will say please quote section and paragraph number.

As you know from doing your driving course, the STAD can say McKee Bke to City area (as it does when the tpt school is going out) or as directed (as it does for various details). Neither of which are defined locations.
A STAD I saw last night even had Cork area as the destination. So which military location in Cork County should the driver take the most direct route to?

[concussion]

I think a better question would be why someone would be charged from deviating from their route in order to drop troops to an alternative location?

[trellheim]

noooo don't start them off !!!!!

[DeV]

The cost of diesel!

It depends what it is being booked out for, if it is a trip for 1 day to the range it will probably say "CBB -> Kilbride", if it transport in a unit location for a month it will say "Bde area".

Anyway back to the thread!

[luchi]

I think a better question would be why someone would be charged from deviating from their route in order to drop troops to an alternative location?

THey wouldn't be charged for dropping off. Thety could be charged with exceeding detail instructions with out permission or being in a place contary to detail instructions.

noooo don't start them off !!!!!

I agree, although tpt has a place in the future of the RDF with the impending cut backs I reckon there will be very little around to be available to pick up and drop off people. This I would imagine will cause a lot of pain to non-urban units.