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  • Recruitment/Promotion Embargo (untill end of 2010!)

    I know Dev has brought it up elsewhere, but for those of you who missed it:

    http://www.finance.gov.ie/documents/...stanletter.pdf

    Ref: E109/107/94
    Mr/Mrs
    Secretary General/Head of Office
    Department of …..
    27 March 2009
    Implementation of Savings Measures on Public Service Numbers
    Dear…..
    1. I refer to the Government decision arising from the Memoranda for the
    Government on the above matter.
    2. I am to direct that, with effect from the date of this letter to end 2010, no
    public service post, however arising, may be filled by recruitment, promotion, nor
    payment of an allowance for the performance of duties at a higher grade. Therefore
    when vacancies arise Departments/agencies etc must reallocate or reorganise work or
    staff accordingly. Any exceptions to this principle, which will arise in very limited
    circumstances only, require the prior sanction of the Minister for Finance. The
    decision also applies to temporary appointments on a fixed-term basis and to the
    renewal of such contracts.
    3. The Minister may sanction the filling of posts through the redeployment of
    staff of the same or equivalent grade from another Department/Office or public body.
    Secretaries General and Heads of Office must ensure that their Departments and
    Offices (and, where relevant, bodies under the aegis of their Department/Office)
    comply fully and expeditiously with all requests and directions from the Minister for
    Finance in relation to the redeployment of staff. Arrangements for consultations with
    staff representatives on redeployment will be the subject of separate correspondence
    with your Department
    4. From the date of this letter, all existing delegated sanctions in relation to staff
    numbers, grading, promotions, recruitment and related issues are withdrawn both in
    relation to your Department/Office and bodies under the aegis of your
    Department/Office.
    5. No offers of appointment, promotion or allowance for the performance of
    duties of a higher grade may be made from the date of this letter without the approval
    of the Minister for Finance (any such offer in progress should not proceed without the
    express approval of this Department). Any competitions/promotions currently in
    progress should not proceed further without the express sanction of this Department.
    6. As the Government Decision comprehends the wider public service , you
    should communicate this direction immediately to all relevant bodies under the aegis
    of your Department/Office, and send a copy of your direction to the relevant Vote
    Section of this Department.
    7 New authorised staffing complements will be determined by Government in
    the light of any recommendations of the Special Group on Numbers and Public
    Expenditure, and communicated in due course.
    Yours sincerely
    Donal McNally
    Second Secretary General
    Sectoral Policy Division
    • So if you want to join, you cant.
    • If you are in, and want to get promoted, you wont.
    • If you are due to retire, and hold an appointment that earns an allowance, you won't be replaced.


    I predict major difficulties, as a result of this policy.


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

  • #2
    No Acting appointments either

    how will this work out for overseas appointments
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    • #3
      There are acting (paid) and acting (unpaid) are there not?

      Also does this mean no RDF overseas as they were going as PDF?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by DeV View Post
        There are acting (paid) and acting (unpaid) are there not?
        News to me that Acting in a rank, rather than being Substantive, is paid in the
        Acting Rank, e.g; a Sgt being an Acting Coy Sgt being paid as a Coy Sgt.... (?)

        Also does this mean no RDF overseas as they were going as PDF?
        Oooohh, interesting that. And after all the hoops that were jumped through aswell.
        That WOULD be the untimate kick in the bollocks....
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        • #5
          Looks that way. They would have been appointed to a role that would earn an allowance.


          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DeV View Post
            There are acting (paid) and acting (unpaid) are there not?
            No. Acting Unpaid was done away with 20 years ago.
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            • #7
              will this effect those rdf on pots and standard courses ,, ? or is it just those full time
              "take a look to the sky right before you die, its the last time you will"

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              • #8
                It specifically mentions the Permanent Defence force. However you can still complete the course and not be upgraded.


                Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                • #9
                  Does this include promotions in the PDF and the guards?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ICUN View Post
                    Does this include promotions in the PDF and the guards?
                    5. No offers of appointment, promotion or allowance for the performance of
                    duties of a higher grade may be made from the date of this letter without the approval
                    of the Minister for Finance (any such offer in progress should not proceed without the
                    express approval of this Department). Any competitions/promotions currently in
                    progress should not proceed further without the express sanction of this Department.


                    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                    • #11
                      Maybe the DF will get the "express sanction of the dept" seeing as it is an organisation that relies totally on rank and appointments to function properly, more so than a civil service dept or local authority office. I'm sure its the same for the Guards.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                        5. No offers of appointment, promotion or allowance for the performance of
                        duties of a higher grade may be made from the date of this letter without the approval
                        of the Minister for Finance (any such offer in progress should not proceed without the
                        express approval of this Department). Any competitions/promotions currently in
                        progress should not proceed further without the express sanction of this Department.

                        That is a serious bastardo of a clause.

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                        • #13
                          i understand that there will be a large number of retirements from the GS this year due to pension levies etc. shud this happen, i would expect a recruitment drive t begin. (id expect the above to happen the DF too). if this does happen, this emargo on promotion would result in no recruitment. i.e the chief super/colonel that retires will not be replaced?

                          or if he/she is, it will be in an acting role so making recruitment obsolete?

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                          • #14
                            Please read the documents!

                            Goldie has posted the letter above, but here it is again & a Q&A sheet:
                            http://www.finance.gov.ie/documents/...stanletter.pdf
                            http://www.finance.gov.ie/viewdoc.asp?DocID=5723

                            NO recruitment to ANY public service job from 27/3/09 untill end 2010

                            NO additional pay for doing duties of a higher grade (ie Acting), any competitions to find personnel to do duties of a higher grade are now suspended untill End 2010.

                            ANY exceptions ON A VERY LIMITED BASIS ONLY & then ONLY with the sanction of Brian Lenihan TD (himself not a civil servant from Finance)

                            This also applys to the RENEWAL of contracts & seasonal/temporary staff.

                            The only person with authority to decided on numbers, grading, promotions, recruitment is now Brian Lenihan TD (didn't notice gradings there before - that could mean that PDF recruits may not make 3*).

                            You if effects - Civil Service, local authorities, non-commercial state bodies, the Garda Síochána and PDF.

                            Recruiting, promotions etc will "only be allowed in very exceptional circumstances".

                            Personnel can be redeployed with sanction of Brian Lenihan.

                            The only 2 departments that this doesn't have full effect on is Health & Education.

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                            • #15
                              There is a strong rumour [ coming from outside the DF ] that there will be a levy on retirement lumpsums - e.g.
                              "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                              "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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