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  • Originally posted by DeV View Post

    For example, NS recruits could do Arms & Foot Drill, rifle marksmanship, etc there before moving to Haulbowline
    My thoughts exactly. Spare the section in attack & fieldcraft nonsense that they'll never use for the rest of their career.
    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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    • I don't necessarily see why they couldn't bring recruits up to the very basis 2* or O/S standard at a single joint location. The Canadian Forces use a single recruit pipeline for new entrants initially. They are streamed towards their relevant service after passing out.

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      • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
        Might need a change in the modules of recruit training slightly though to reflect the "joint" nature.
        The first 12 weeks of both Army/Air Corps/Navy recruit syllabi are the same, so this could work 100%.

        The important thing is that once you enlist in one branch, you can't decide mid training that you now want to be in another.

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        • Originally posted by A/TEL View Post

          The first 12 weeks of both Army/Air Corps/Navy recruit syllabi are the same, so this could work 100%.

          The important thing is that once you enlist in one branch, you can't decide mid training that you now want to be in another.
          Gormanstown though?
          Is it centralised enough?
          Far the consistent output required you'd need somewhere about the size of a smaller Barracks, similar to how AGS took over Templemore. You require the facilities to house, feed, arm and secure the recruits and their instructors.
          I'd lean more towards the DFTC, where the infrastructure already exists, it's just a matter of repurposing some of the underutilised buildings, and perhaps building some purpose built ones? Maybe even make the military college an actual college that trains all, not just officers?
          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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          • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

            Gormanstown though?
            Is it centralised enough?
            Far the consistent output required you'd need somewhere about the size of a smaller Barracks, similar to how AGS took over Templemore. You require the facilities to house, feed, arm and secure the recruits and their instructors.
            I'd lean more towards the DFTC, where the infrastructure already exists, it's just a matter of repurposing some of the underutilised buildings, and perhaps building some purpose built ones? Maybe even make the military college an actual college that trains all, not just officers?
            DFTC infrastructure isn’t big enough for current demand never mind having to train an additional 1,000+ annually

            Much of Gormo is really a green field side with less demolition work required (like DFTC range more or less on site but not an ETR). Probably cheaper to built it there. Cheaper and quicker than demolition/refurbishment?

            No matter where was chosen a lot of building work would be required

            would agree though kind of out of the way too…. Not necessarily a bad thing though

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            • 1000 recruits a year, with initial training of 12 weeks each is going to eat up a lot of man power. The idea of the establishment of a dedicated Military College for all is actually a great idea. You could potentially even roll in the initial parts of cadet training with one of the 12 week blocks.

              The issue would be, you'd need to run 2-3 platoons per intake, which equates to a decent sized training staff to manage this, you're likely looking at the formation of a Training Battalion.
              What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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              • I’d love to see the Military College get university status (and as part of that being sufficient resources), you could even have some civilians educated there. But the numbers going through would need to be high to justify it when you consider you need all the third level lecturers and SMEs. It would also need research opportunities etc.

                military.ie says both 17 and 15 weeks for army recruit training, so let’s say 16 weeks. That means you can train max 3 intakes a year (ignoring 2-3* training) with 2 x 2 week blocks of leave. You’d need 333 recruits per intake to hit the 1,000 annual figure.

                that’s 10 recruit platoons of about 30 at any one time in training (so a battalion sized unit)! There aren’t the personnel to train that many!

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                • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                  that’s 10 recruit platoons of about 30 at any one time in training (so a battalion sized unit)! There aren’t the personnel to train that many!
                  Stagger your intake, two platoons of 30-40 every two weeks. You'd be a bit short of the 1000, but not by much. If the first 12 weeks of Army and NS training is identical, standardise that training period, specalise at 2-3* level.

                  What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                  • Originally posted by DeV View Post

                    For example, NS recruits could do Arms & Foot Drill, rifle marksmanship, etc there before moving to Haulbowline
                    You'd just need to sort out which command for "Mark Time" they are taught - the correct one as per the Manual of Foot Drill, or the one the Army made up.

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                    • Originally posted by sluggie View Post

                      you'd just need to sort out which command for "mark time" they are taught - the correct one as per the manual of foot drill, or the one the army made up.
                      shots fired!
                      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                      • Originally posted by Sluggie View Post

                        You'd just need to sort out which command for "Mark Time" they are taught - the correct one as per the Manual of Foot Drill, or the one the Army made up.
                        Ah, the Bualig Am debate continues!! A debate as old as the Thart - Iompaig vs Iompaig - Thart, and do we turn to the right to fall out, or stay in place for a few seconds (which looks sh*te)!
                        What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                        • Originally posted by ODIN View Post

                          Ah, the Bualig Am debate continues!! A debate as old as the Thart - Iompaig vs Iompaig - Thart, and do we turn to the right to fall out, or stay in place for a few seconds (which looks sh*te)!
                          “Buailig-Am” is what the manual states


                          Just discovered I’ve been doing “Thart-Iompaig” incorrectly for over 20 years

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                          • Originally posted by DeV View Post


                            Just discovered I’ve been doing “Thart-Iompaig” incorrectly for over 20 years
                            Every day is a school day!

                            Thart - Iompaig = About Turn

                            Iompaig - Thart = Turn About
                            Last edited by ODIN; 12 October 2022, 15:16.
                            What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                            • Originally posted by ODIN View Post

                              Ah, the Bualig Am debate continues!! A debate as old as the Thart - Iompaig vs Iompaig - Thart, and do we turn to the right to fall out, or stay in place for a few seconds (which looks sh*te)!
                              Totally agree on the latter
                              "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                              • Originally posted by ODIN View Post

                                Every day is a school day!

                                Thart - Iompaig = About Turn

                                Iompaig - Thart = Turn About
                                After consulting the manual the former is correct

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