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  • #16
    Well I wasn't referring to giving everyone access to computers and so on.
    I was referring to having a wireless internet signal in barracks.


    Therefore people would have to use a laptop (which would be personal issue). Ergo whatever they download doesn't impact on the DF at all. Likewise for viruses and so on because they are not DF property.
    Just to correct you Groundhog.
    And its a signal, so its not going to be hacked in a way that would be a security issue. All it would mean to anyone who has the signal is that they can surf the internet. Nothing more. So take your CIRA paranoia and go away.




    As hedgehog said most of the lads have the savvy and cop on not to abuse it/let it get wrecked. And with lads staying in barracks and so on, it can be used to check emails and MSN and all that with people back home or overseas even.
    And watch movies, listen to music....quite a lot of benefits really.


    Luchi, apart from recreation, it could be used to find an answer to a question that is asked in a lecture that may not be found through intranet. Or even to conduct a video conference. There are an almost unlimited amount of benefits to having it.


    Maybe a mod should start a poll?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by mallen83 View Post
      Therefore people would have to use a laptop (which would be personal issue). Ergo whatever they download doesn't impact on the DF at all. Likewise for viruses and so on because they are not DF property.
      The provider of an internet connection is not free of any and all liability associated with the use of that connection, not by a long shot. Employers don't monitor internet usage for fun - they do it because they are liable if someone does something illegal, even if they are completely unaware of it. In 2007 Eircom was sued over copyright breaches in filesharing, so don't think the DF will be left alone for any particular reason.

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      • #18
        Your mad if you think it wouldn't be abused, people take the piss its in the nature. I work in this are and I've seen it first hand. The cost of putting in the gear and the monitoring to ensure people coulsnt take the piss would be too much to make it worth while. Dongles are cheap and the coverage gets better every day best to stick with those.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by mallen83 View Post
          And its a signal, so its not going to be hacked in a way that would be a security issue. All it would mean to anyone who has the signal is that they can surf the internet. Nothing more. So take your CIRA paranoia and go away.
          There are lads who can actually hack through a wireless connection adn access your computer, It is possible. Alls it takes is a wireless network that has a few computers attached to it, and someone with the know how.

          Or even just someone on the end getting "hacked" being retarded enough to set their laptop to Public.

          I don't think CIRA would have too many people with the real knowhow to hack, but that doesn't mean they don't.
          I probably am wrong, sorry about that!!!

          Please PM me to correct me.

          But, not if I state an opinion, only if I state something as truth!!!

          I have bad opinions but I stick by them!!!

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          • #20
            The same is true of any computer connected to the internet no matter the connection method.
            "Those who have long enjoyed such privileges as we enjoy forget in time that men have died to win them." - Franklin D. Roosevelt

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            • #21
              Originally posted by mallen83 View Post
              Well I wasn't referring to giving everyone access to computers and so on.
              I was referring to having a wireless internet signal in barracks.


              Therefore people would have to use a laptop (which would be personal issue).
              Why would the DF issue people with laptops? Why would the DF provide wireless internet access? They aren't necessary to get the job done.

              And desktops can receive wireless signals too.


              Originally posted by mallen83 View Post
              Ergo whatever they download doesn't impact on the DF at all. Likewise for viruses and so on because they are not DF property.
              Ya think?

              Originally posted by mallen83 View Post
              And its a signal, so its not going to be hacked in a way that would be a security issue.
              You don't know a lot about this stuff do you?

              Originally posted by mallen83 View Post
              All it would mean to anyone who has the signal is that they can surf the internet. Nothing more..
              Why would teh DF provide this facility at public cost?

              Originally posted by mallen83 View Post
              So take your CIRA paranoia and go away..
              Paranoia is good. It has kept me alive in dangerous places. Limerick and At Tiri for instance.

              Originally posted by mallen83 View Post
              As hedgehog said most of the lads have the savvy and cop on not to abuse it..
              It only takes one. I can see the headlines now.

              Originally posted by mallen83 View Post
              And with lads staying in barracks and so on, it can be used to check emails and MSN and all that with people back home or overseas even.
              And watch movies, listen to music....quite a lot of benefits really...
              They are no benefit to the DF and should not be provided by teh tax-payer. Next you'll want the government to pay your way in to nightclubs and buy your post-pint bag of chips.

              Originally posted by mallen83 View Post
              it could be used to find an answer to a question that is asked in a lecture that may not be found through intranet
              If the answer isn't on the Intranet then it's the wrong answer.
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              • #22
                All Naval Vessels have internet. Most overseas postings have internet. They need it to communicate with family at home.
                WHY would you need wireless internet in a barracks? WHY?


                Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                  All Naval Vessels have internet. Most overseas postings have internet. They need it to communicate with family at home.
                  WHY would you need wireless internet in a barracks? WHY?

                  Just like a lad in his bunk on a naval vessel or a lad overseas

                  they dont really need it- we have got by with out it

                  but in this modern day and age its a nice thing to have-

                  not all young Soldiers go home every night- some are based far away from home

                  facilities in the barracks are usually limited

                  there is the mess of course - but do we really want our lads swilling beer every night.

                  I agree with you that its not really needed but as to why we should give this facility

                  to our young soldiers

                  well a very wise man once said


                  They need it to communicate with family at home.

                  There are the nay sayers and the boys still stuck in the mentality that if we let them have

                  it then they will surely access kiddie porn or such stuff

                  I remember my first guards when there were no tellys in the guard rooms

                  and the justification was if we allow TV's the beat will never be manned-

                  has it ever happened-

                  if we allow our young soldiers to have cars- sure there is a risk one of them may drink and drive- feck that.

                  I know for sure from my experience of this matter- no one wants the public purse to pay for it- it should come out of welfare ( the portion we pay ourselves) and from the messes.
                  Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                  Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                  The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                  The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                  The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                  Are full of passionate intensity.

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                  • #24
                    The dongle is a better solution in fairness, that's what I use mostly.

                    Putting on my much-faded secure network administrator hat, without wireless I have a reasonably good idea what computers are connected to my LAN, because I've wired them in myself and disabled all the features people fiddle with, and put good antivirus on, and put on the latest security patches,

                    yadda yadda yadda

                    With wireless for example some fecker with conficker trojaning away can join and start polluting shite into the net , undoing all my good work, plus if he goes on the dongle too there's a bridge from the cloud inbound

                    so no thanks tbh.
                    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                    • #25
                      In college, when you try to log onto the network you get a pop up advising you to read the computer regulations. Every august, the full student regulations (including computer regs) are sent out, along with all the registration stuff. By registering and using the facilities, it's assumed that you agree to abide by the regulations. No reason why the same couldn't be done for the DF.

                      Here's what parts of the computer regs say:

                      D. The basic principle is that all users are expected to use common sense and to conduct themselves in a professional and appropriate manner in their emails and use of the Institute’s computer facilities and the Internet. Staff are reminded that network postings or messages may be archived for years in various Internet search databases. In addition, these messages may be produced to others or to a Court in connection with litigation or disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act.

                      E. Users are individually accountable for all actions associated with their use of the Institute’s information and technology systems.

                      F. Use of the Institute’s computer facilities is a privilege granted to Institute Staff and the Institute reserves the right to withdraw or limit access to such facilities.

                      A. General

                      Users are required to abide by the law, by these Regulations, by the Data Protection Legislation, by the HEAnet Acceptable Usage Policy (attached), and by any additional regulations as may be laid down from time to time, in relation to the proper usage of computer equipment and materials.

                      D. Content

                      The Institute’s computer facilities and services should not be used to create, send, post, download, forward, view, store or display offensive, abusive, slanderous, vulgar, threatening or defamatory messages, text, graphics, or images or material from whatever source which may put the Institute at risk of prosecution, civil action, embarrassment or loss of reputation. This includes harassment, discrimination and intimidation of individuals on the basis of race, sex, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, disability, age marital status, family status or membership of the traveller community, etc. Specific examples include, but are not limited to, material that:

                      is sexually explicit (whether visually or in written form) including descriptions or images of nudity or sexual acts;

                      is discriminatory;
                      advocates or supports violent or criminal acts;
                      involves gambling;
                      is by way of chain letter;
                      violates copyright laws;
                      breaches the Institute’s harassment guidelines;
                      involves use or transfer of unauthorised or unlicensed software;
                      involves knowingly transferring viruses or virus based files;
                      involves participation in responses to SCAMS, SPAMS or illegal activities.

                      and so on. You get the picture. All it has to take is a similar document and warnings that if anyone is ever caught breeching the regs, the wireless will go. Immediately and for everyone. Nobody wants to be that person that wrecks it for everyone.
                      Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
                      Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
                      Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
                      Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                        The dongle is a better solution in fairness, that's what I use mostly.

                        Putting on my much-faded secure network administrator hat, without wireless I have a reasonably good idea what computers are connected to my LAN, because I've wired them in myself and disabled all the features people fiddle with, and put good antivirus on, and put on the latest security patches,

                        yadda yadda yadda

                        With wireless for example some fecker with conficker trojaning away can join and start polluting shite into the net , undoing all my good work, plus if he goes on the dongle too there's a bridge from the cloud inbound

                        so no thanks tbh.
                        But you dont live in

                        and your only in Barracks at most twice a week

                        so you cant really speak from the perspective of a young lad sitting in his room

                        or having to go down to the internet cafes in Rathmines.

                        I have wi fi at home and its a secure password operated system

                        my scally neighbours cant break into it
                        Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                        Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                        The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                        The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                        The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                        Are full of passionate intensity.

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                        • #27
                          Would barracks in urban areas not have wireless anyway as the surrounding area would have access?

                          Also if it was provided by the DF would they have to pay benefit in kind?

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                          • #28
                            No one expects the DF or the Public Purse to pay for it

                            what about welfare and the messes
                            Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                            Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                            The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                            The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                            The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                            Are full of passionate intensity.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
                              But you dont live in

                              and your only in Barracks at most twice a week

                              so you cant really speak from the perspective of a young lad sitting in his room

                              or having to go down to the internet cafes in Rathmines.

                              I have wi fi at home and its a secure password operated system

                              my scally neighbours cant break into it
                              A lad sitting in his barracks who gets bored would need a lap top to access the internet for personal use , and could buy a dongle for internet access which is cheaper and better than wireless. if the government paid for wireless at all barracks for personal use and it was found that lads were looking at porn, and lets face it, 99% of men have looked at internet porn, the papers would kick up a fuss if they found out.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by paul g View Post
                                A lad sitting in his barracks who gets bored would need a lap top to access the internet for personal use , and could buy a dongle for internet access which is cheaper and better than wireless. if the government paid for wireless at all barracks for personal use and it was found that lads were looking at porn, and lets face it, 99% of men have looked at internet porn, the papers would kick up a fuss if they found out.
                                I never advocated that the system be bought from the public purse or DF funds

                                in fact I said the oppisite a number of times
                                Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                                Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                                The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                                The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                                The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                                Are full of passionate intensity.

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