Wireless Internet

[mallen83 Sergeant Find all posts View Profile Close mallen83]

Well I wasn't referring to giving everyone access to computers and so on.
I was referring to having a wireless internet signal in barracks.


Therefore people would have to use a laptop (which would be personal issue). Ergo whatever they download doesn't impact on the DF at all. Likewise for viruses and so on because they are not DF property.
Just to correct you Groundhog.
And its a signal, so its not going to be hacked in a way that would be a security issue. All it would mean to anyone who has the signal is that they can surf the internet. Nothing more. So take your CIRA paranoia and go away.




As hedgehog said most of the lads have the savvy and cop on not to abuse it/let it get wrecked. And with lads staying in barracks and so on, it can be used to check emails and MSN and all that with people back home or overseas even.
And watch movies, listen to music....quite a lot of benefits really.


Luchi, apart from recreation, it could be used to find an answer to a question that is asked in a lecture that may not be found through intranet. Or even to conduct a video conference. There are an almost unlimited amount of benefits to having it.


Maybe a mod should start a poll?

[Barry Lt General Find all posts View Profile Close Barry]

Therefore people would have to use a laptop (which would be personal issue). Ergo whatever they download doesn't impact on the DF at all. Likewise for viruses and so on because they are not DF property.

The provider of an internet connection is not free of any and all liability associated with the use of that connection, not by a long shot. Employers don't monitor internet usage for fun - they do it because they are liable if someone does something illegal, even if they are completely unaware of it. In 2007 Eircom was sued over copyright breaches in filesharing, so don't think the DF will be left alone for any particular reason.

[Muzzle Lieutenant Find all posts View Profile Close Muzzle]

Your mad if you think it wouldn't be abused, people take the piss its in the nature. I work in this are and I've seen it first hand. The cost of putting in the gear and the monitoring to ensure people coulsnt take the piss would be too much to make it worth while. Dongles are cheap and the coverage gets better every day best to stick with those.

[Dazzler 2/Lt Find all posts View Profile Close Dazzler]

And its a signal, so its not going to be hacked in a way that would be a security issue. All it would mean to anyone who has the signal is that they can surf the internet. Nothing more. So take your CIRA paranoia and go away.

There are lads who can actually hack through a wireless connection adn access your computer, It is possible. Alls it takes is a wireless network that has a few computers attached to it, and someone with the know how.

Or even just someone on the end getting "hacked" being retarded enough to set their laptop to Public.

I don't think CIRA would have too many people with the real knowhow to hack, but that doesn't mean they don't.

[Tribunius Corporal Find all posts View Profile Close Tribunius]

The same is true of any computer connected to the internet no matter the connection method.

[Groundhog Chief of the Diet Tribe Find all posts View Profile Close Groundhog]

Well I wasn't referring to giving everyone access to computers and so on.
I was referring to having a wireless internet signal in barracks.


Therefore people would have to use a laptop (which would be personal issue).

Why would the DF issue people with laptops? Why would the DF provide wireless internet access? They aren't necessary to get the job done.

And desktops can receive wireless signals too.

Ergo whatever they download doesn't impact on the DF at all. Likewise for viruses and so on because they are not DF property.

Ya think?

And its a signal, so its not going to be hacked in a way that would be a security issue.

You don't know a lot about this stuff do you?

All it would mean to anyone who has the signal is that they can surf the internet. Nothing more..

Why would teh DF provide this facility at public cost?

So take your CIRA paranoia and go away..

Paranoia is good. It has kept me alive in dangerous places. Limerick and At Tiri for instance.

As hedgehog said most of the lads have the savvy and cop on not to abuse it..

It only takes one. I can see the headlines now.

And with lads staying in barracks and so on, it can be used to check emails and MSN and all that with people back home or overseas even.
And watch movies, listen to music....quite a lot of benefits really...

They are no benefit to the DF and should not be provided by teh tax-payer. Next you'll want the government to pay your way in to nightclubs and buy your post-pint bag of chips.

it could be used to find an answer to a question that is asked in a lecture that may not be found through intranet

If the answer isn't on the Intranet then it's the wrong answer.

[Goldie fish Tim Horgan Find all posts View Profile Close Goldie fish]

All Naval Vessels have internet. Most overseas postings have internet. They need it to communicate with family at home.
WHY would you need wireless internet in a barracks? WHY?

[hedgehog Serf Find all posts View Profile Close hedgehog]

All Naval Vessels have internet. Most overseas postings have internet. They need it to communicate with family at home.
WHY would you need wireless internet in a barracks? WHY?

Just like a lad in his bunk on a naval vessel or a lad overseas

they dont really need it- we have got by with out it

but in this modern day and age its a nice thing to have-

not all young Soldiers go home every night- some are based far away from home

facilities in the barracks are usually limited

there is the mess of course - but do we really want our lads swilling beer every night.

I agree with you that its not really needed but as to why we should give this facility

to our young soldiers

well a very wise man once said

They need it to communicate with family at home.

There are the nay sayers and the boys still stuck in the mentality that if we let them have

it then they will surely access kiddie porn or such stuff

I remember my first guards when there were no tellys in the guard rooms

and the justification was if we allow TV's the beat will never be manned-

has it ever happened-

if we allow our young soldiers to have cars- sure there is a risk one of them may drink and drive- feck that.

I know for sure from my experience of this matter- no one wants the public purse to pay for it- it should come out of welfare ( the portion we pay ourselves) and from the messes.

[trellheim Lord Chief Bottlewasher Find all posts View Profile Close trellheim]

The dongle is a better solution in fairness, that's what I use mostly.

Putting on my much-faded secure network administrator hat, without wireless I have a reasonably good idea what computers are connected to my LAN, because I've wired them in myself and disabled all the features people fiddle with, and put good antivirus on, and put on the latest security patches,

yadda yadda yadda

With wireless for example some fecker with conficker trojaning away can join and start polluting shite into the net , undoing all my good work, plus if he goes on the dongle too there's a bridge from the cloud inbound

so no thanks tbh.

[johnny no stars Colonel Find all posts View Profile Close johnny no stars]

In college, when you try to log onto the network you get a pop up advising you to read the computer regulations. Every august, the full student regulations (including computer regs) are sent out, along with all the registration stuff. By registering and using the facilities, it's assumed that you agree to abide by the regulations. No reason why the same couldn't be done for the DF.

Here's what parts of the computer regs say:

D. The basic principle is that all users are expected to use common sense and to conduct themselves in a professional and appropriate manner in their emails and use of the Institute’s computer facilities and the Internet. Staff are reminded that network postings or messages may be archived for years in various Internet search databases. In addition, these messages may be produced to others or to a Court in connection with litigation or disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act.

E. Users are individually accountable for all actions associated with their use of the Institute’s information and technology systems.

F. Use of the Institute’s computer facilities is a privilege granted to Institute Staff and the Institute reserves the right to withdraw or limit access to such facilities.

A. General

Users are required to abide by the law, by these Regulations, by the Data Protection Legislation, by the HEAnet Acceptable Usage Policy (attached), and by any additional regulations as may be laid down from time to time, in relation to the proper usage of computer equipment and materials.

D. Content

The Institute’s computer facilities and services should not be used to create, send, post, download, forward, view, store or display offensive, abusive, slanderous, vulgar, threatening or defamatory messages, text, graphics, or images or material from whatever source which may put the Institute at risk of prosecution, civil action, embarrassment or loss of reputation. This includes harassment, discrimination and intimidation of individuals on the basis of race, sex, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, disability, age marital status, family status or membership of the traveller community, etc. Specific examples include, but are not limited to, material that:

is sexually explicit (whether visually or in written form) including descriptions or images of nudity or sexual acts;

is discriminatory;
advocates or supports violent or criminal acts;
involves gambling;
is by way of chain letter;
violates copyright laws;
breaches the Institute’s harassment guidelines;
involves use or transfer of unauthorised or unlicensed software;
involves knowingly transferring viruses or virus based files;
involves participation in responses to SCAMS, SPAMS or illegal activities.

and so on. You get the picture. All it has to take is a similar document and warnings that if anyone is ever caught breeching the regs, the wireless will go. Immediately and for everyone. Nobody wants to be that person that wrecks it for everyone.

[hedgehog Serf Find all posts View Profile Close hedgehog]

The dongle is a better solution in fairness, that's what I use mostly.

Putting on my much-faded secure network administrator hat, without wireless I have a reasonably good idea what computers are connected to my LAN, because I've wired them in myself and disabled all the features people fiddle with, and put good antivirus on, and put on the latest security patches,

yadda yadda yadda

With wireless for example some fecker with conficker trojaning away can join and start polluting shite into the net , undoing all my good work, plus if he goes on the dongle too there's a bridge from the cloud inbound

so no thanks tbh.

But you dont live in

and your only in Barracks at most twice a week

so you cant really speak from the perspective of a young lad sitting in his room

or having to go down to the internet cafes in Rathmines.

I have wi fi at home and its a secure password operated system

my scally neighbours cant break into it

[DeV Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close DeV]

Would barracks in urban areas not have wireless anyway as the surrounding area would have access?

Also if it was provided by the DF would they have to pay benefit in kind?

[hedgehog Serf Find all posts View Profile Close hedgehog]

No one expects the DF or the Public Purse to pay for it

what about welfare and the messes

[paul g C/S Find all posts View Profile Close paul g]

But you dont live in

and your only in Barracks at most twice a week

so you cant really speak from the perspective of a young lad sitting in his room

or having to go down to the internet cafes in Rathmines.

I have wi fi at home and its a secure password operated system

my scally neighbours cant break into it

A lad sitting in his barracks who gets bored would need a lap top to access the internet for personal use , and could buy a dongle for internet access which is cheaper and better than wireless. if the government paid for wireless at all barracks for personal use and it was found that lads were looking at porn, and lets face it, 99% of men have looked at internet porn, the papers would kick up a fuss if they found out.

[hedgehog Serf Find all posts View Profile Close hedgehog]

A lad sitting in his barracks who gets bored would need a lap top to access the internet for personal use , and could buy a dongle for internet access which is cheaper and better than wireless. if the government paid for wireless at all barracks for personal use and it was found that lads were looking at porn, and lets face it, 99% of men have looked at internet porn, the papers would kick up a fuss if they found out.

I never advocated that the system be bought from the public purse or DF funds

in fact I said the oppisite a number of times