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    Deputy Willie O’Dea: I do not accept that morale is low in the Defence Forces. The Department of Defence has been very responsible in expenditure since the White Paper. It is probably the best behaved Department in the State from the point of view of public expenditure.
    Willie says Morale isn't low in the DF. What do you thin?
    56
    It's great,It's like christmas, birthdays, etc all rolled into one.
    1.79%
    1
    It will only be lower when they stop making prozac
    66.07%
    37
    Same as usual. Not that good, not that bad.
    32.14%
    18


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

  • #2
    Big time

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    • #3
      There's a lot more to Morale and Esprit de Corp than spending money and tight controls on the spending of money Willie O'Dea TD
      "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

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      • #4
        Strange how he seems to think that capital expenditure is the only factor in morale. No point in having gucci new kit if you're spending 8 out of every 12 months overseas using it, and you're not getting the tech pay you're entitled to for using it because of the promotion ban.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Barry View Post
          Strange how he seems to think that capital expenditure is the only factor in morale. No point in having gucci new kit if you're spending 8 out of every 12 months overseas using it, and you're not getting the tech pay you're entitled to for using it because of the promotion ban.
          Am I reading you wrong here? Gucci Kit is better over seas is it not?


          And who spends 8 month's out of 12 overseas?


          Don't they volunteer to go?


          Would they not be making a rakeload of money if they spend that much time overseas?
          I probably am wrong, sorry about that!!!

          Please PM me to correct me.

          But, not if I state an opinion, only if I state something as truth!!!

          I have bad opinions but I stick by them!!!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Dazzler View Post
            And who spends 8 month's out of 12 overseas?
            http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com...&postcount=954

            As for morale in the DF, I reckon it's as bad as it was prior to the introduction of the 5 year
            contracts for enlisted personnel

            This recruitment ban could have major repercussions for the RDF aswell

            Anecdotal evidence here and elsewhere shows that many long timers in the PDF are considering
            jumping ship. The only thing holding them back would be the fact that there is not a hell
            of a lot of available work out there...
            Last edited by Truck Driver; 7 May 2009, 08:06.
            "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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            • #7
              AS an insider I can tell you that the day to day situation is pretty much the same as always

              what is impacting on a lot of people is the uncertainity

              no one can actually say whats going to happen

              When will the promotion ban be lifted- will the grat be taxed- what baracks are going to be closed

              if the Dept would only tell os now all in the one go

              instead of slowly pulling the sticking plaster off- whip it off in one.


              Willie,

              quell the uncertainty- we are big boys we can take bad news
              its the not knowing is killing us
              Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
              Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
              The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
              The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
              The best lack all conviction, while the worst
              Are full of passionate intensity.

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              • #8
                id agree with thinks been too drawn out i can only speak from the RDF side but it seem s to me like a death of a thousand cuts ,
                id say morale is pretty much the same as it was amongst some , however it is at an all time low amongst ncos and officers , personally i dedicated a lot of time to the recruits this year and all my efforts were too no benefit , having to be present when they were told thanks but no thanks " was one of my most unpleasant days ever in the reserve ,
                the uncertainty amongst those who's camps are on and off , and the uncertainty that there will be a reserve amongst even the officers is beginning to weigh heavy .:confused:

                WILLY MORALE IS LOW IN THE RDF
                , join the forum and we will happily debate it
                Last edited by greyfox; 7 May 2009, 11:34.
                "take a look to the sky right before you die, its the last time you will"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by greyfox View Post
                  WILLY MORALE IS LOW IN THE RDF , join the forum and we will happily debate it
                  Two hopes of that:

                  No hope and Bob has left town............
                  "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                  • #10
                    Was up at training the other night. Aside from those who are Recruits and on Career Courses we had 4 Gunners. Which is terrible given that we are supposed to be the Biggest Bty.

                    In fairness alot of the lads are doing their Leaving Cert's this year. But I don't know how many will come back after Camp this year. (Alot of them will probably go.)
                    I probably am wrong, sorry about that!!!

                    Please PM me to correct me.

                    But, not if I state an opinion, only if I state something as truth!!!

                    I have bad opinions but I stick by them!!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
                      Two hopes of that:

                      No hope and Bob has left town............
                      willy left town long ago,
                      just cause he wants morale to be high in the defense forces does not mean it will be , he is saying that in a public service riddled with doubt and uncertainty that the defense forces is a shining beacon of high morale yet he is answering questions about disaffection in the reserve with last few weeks ,, what ever about political prowess , the man has balls of brass or a frontal lobotomy

                      if i could put myself in a PDF mans 24bs i could nt imagine my morale to be much higher ,

                      its hard to maintain interest in a reserve that is offering less and less especially for those not on a course as courses become rarer then interest will wain ,
                      "take a look to the sky right before you die, its the last time you will"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Dazzler View Post
                        Was up at training the other night. Aside from those who are Recruits and on Career Courses we had 4 Gunners. Which is terrible given that we are supposed to be the Biggest Bty.

                        In fairness alot of the lads are doing their Leaving Cert's this year. But I don't know how many will come back after Camp this year. (Alot of them will probably go.)
                        Similar story with us - not a whole lot of Ptes on parade with us either - bus at least it was
                        at least double the numbers you referred to - and NONE of the Ptes in question are doing
                        the LC.

                        Recruits are a different matter, though.

                        Thankfully we got approx 14 attested before the axe fell.
                        Army numbers back and all - hopefully getting them kitted out next week...

                        Regarding your comment about people not coming abck after Annual Training, I would
                        make one or two points on this:

                        • It is down to your brass to make the unit as attractive as possible to retain the personnel
                          (variety of training, etc.)

                        • Are these people aware that should they leave, they will not be coming back to the RDF
                          again in a hurry (even if they have ambitions to enlist in a DIFFERENT unit) ?

                        • Are personnel aware that their lack of attendance will work against the possibility of them
                          qualifying for the (untaxed) grat ?
                        Last edited by Truck Driver; 7 May 2009, 12:09.
                        "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                        • #13
                          when you say left

                          Do you mean

                          they actually went on their ticket

                          or were transfered
                          Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                          Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                          The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                          The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                          The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                          Are full of passionate intensity.

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                          • #14
                            I think Dwight D. Eisenhower said it best - " The best morale exists when you never hear the word mentioned. When you hear it it's usually lousy"
                            "Dwight D. Eisenhower: The best morale exists when you never hear the word mentioned. When you hear it it's usually lousy.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
                              Similar story with us - not a whole lot of Ptes on parade with us either - bus at least it was
                              at least double the numbers you referred to - and NONE of the Ptes in question are doing
                              the LC.

                              Recruits are a different matter, though.

                              Thankfully we got approx 14 attested before the axe fell.
                              Army numbers back and all - hopefully getting them kitted out next week...

                              Regarding your comment about people not coming abck after Annual Training, I would
                              make one or two points on this:

                              • It is down to your brass to make the unit as attractive as possible to retain the personnel
                                (variety of training, etc.)

                              • Are these people aware that should they leave, they will not be coming back to the RDF
                                again in a hurry (even if they have ambitions to enlist in a DIFFERENT unit) ?

                              • Are personnel aware that their lack of attendance will work against the possibility of them
                                qualifying for the (untaxed) grat ?
                              I just think a good few will not be regular attenders when college starts. I will be quite surprized if half the current 2*'s come back after the Leaving. I am hopeful, but still.

                              There were actually enough NCO's up that night though to have 2 NCO's and 1 Officer to every Gnr!!! But Still those of us who were up are now training for a bit more of a specialist job for summer camp which is good.
                              I probably am wrong, sorry about that!!!

                              Please PM me to correct me.

                              But, not if I state an opinion, only if I state something as truth!!!

                              I have bad opinions but I stick by them!!!

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