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    Get rid of the equation school
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

  • #2
    Surely Equitation ? Ah sure we'll find out at 1400 anyway. Cue union howls of outrage
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    • #3
      In deciding the recommendations for the Defence Group of Votes, the Special Group has taken into
      consideration the detailed evaluation papers prepared by the D/Defence and by the Defence Vote
      Section in the Department of Finance. It has also taken into account that gross current Exchequer
      expenditure for this Vote has increased by about 26% since 2001 compared to an increase of over
      115% in total gross current Exchequer expenditure over the same period. This is primarily due to
      ongoing reforms in the Defence Forces over this period, including a reduction of over 900
      personnel.
      On the basis of the information and analyses made available to it and following its interaction with
      the D/Defence, the Group has identified proposals to save €53.4m. The Group has identified scope
      for a structural reduction of at least 20 staff across the Department.
      The Group is cognisant of the interdependency between all elements of Defence expenditure, which
      militates against determining savings in the Defence area on a programme-by-programme basis.
      Accordingly, the Programme allocation of savings given in Table 5.3 below is broadly indicative in
      nature. More generally, on the basis of the information and analyses made available to it and
      following its interaction with the D/Defence, the Group recommends gross reductions across the
      board of around €25m in pay and €20m in non-pay in a full year on the basis of a number of
      specific measures detailed below, as well as savings of about €8.5m elsewhere on the Vote.
      Personnel Reductions
      It should be possible to reorganise the Defence sector over a period of time so as to achieve a
      reduction of 500 personnel. The Group is conscious that delivering such a reduction in numbers
      while preserving operational capability will require considerable planning and redesign of the
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      organisation including consolidation of the command structure. Notwithstanding the reduction in
      numbers, the increased efficiency of the organisation should allow for the preservation of the
      existing 3 brigade structure. The Group recommends, accordingly, that the D/Defence should bring
      forward proposals for approval by the Government by the end of 2009 to allow a reduction of 500
      .
      This reduction could be achieved, within a 2 to 3 year period as operational requirements allow.
      Based on a proportionate reduction in the 2009 net pay provision in the Defence vote, the resultant
      saving in the pay provision should, over the 3 year period, rise to approximately €25m per annum in
      2009 prices.
      The Group has also identified scope for a structural change in the Reserve Defence Force involving
      a reduction of at least 4,900 members.
      trellheim
      Lord Chief Bottlewasher
      Last edited by trellheim; 16 July 2009, 14:17.
      "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

      "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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      • #4
        Rationalise the army barracks
        While 10 barracks have closed over the past decade, 24 permanently occupied barracks remain.
        The dispersal of personnel over a large number of locations is a major impediment to essential
        collective training as well as imposing increased and unnecessary overheads on the Permanent
        Defence Forces in terms of barrack management, administration, maintenance and security.
        There are further opportunities to consolidate Defence Forces units into a smaller number of
        locations and to dispose of the surplus properties. While some up-front expenditure on
        infrastructural works will be needed in advance of any further consolidation into these barracks,
        there may be immediate opportunities in some locations to close and dispose of properties. The
        Special Group recommends that the D/Defence bring forward detailed proposals for closure of such
        additional barracks in the shortest possible timeframe and for the disposal of surplus properties so
        as to maximise the return having regard to market conditions.
        "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

        "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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        • #5
          Vol 1 Page 41 - item A.2

          Discontinue the Equitation Team

          Get rid of sail training

          Its like the lads on the Snip Board actually listen to me

          other things to note- a phased reduction of 520 from the DF

          and the RDF to be reduced by 2/3rds

          and Overholders in the Curragh to be charged full rent
          Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
          Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
          The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
          The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
          The best lack all conviction, while the worst
          Are full of passionate intensity.

          Comment


          • #6
            A.2 Discontinue the Army Equestrian Team
            The Group sees no justification for the Army Equitation School as part of a modern professional
            defence force or for its funding through the Defence Vote, or public funds, and recommends that the
            State funding be discontinued and doing so should yield savings of €1m a year.
            And so the axe falls on the horsey school! Asgard gets the chop too, and they want to reduce the RDF by two thirds (of course, the RDF is so understrength anyway that this will only really require the loss of officers and SNCOs)

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            • #7
              Cathal Brugha Barracks
              In particular, the Special Group considers that there is no need for two large Army barracks in
              Dublin and the future of Cathal Brugha Barracks should be reviewed with a view to possible sale.
              Given the scale of any relocation, the provision of alternative accommodation would entail a
              significant up-front cost and a lead-time of some years. It is recommended that, as part of an
              overall consolidation programme, the D/Defence should bring forward a detailed feasibility study
              for the disposal of Cathal Brugha Barracks and the relocation of the personnel stationed there to
              other sites within the Defence Forces portfolio. This rationalisation of premises will contribute to
              the reduction in numbers in the Permanent Defence Forces
              "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

              "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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              • #8
                End of mission to Chad in 2010, rationalise number of missions we're deployed on.


                Naval service vessel replacement over longer time period.
                Last edited by paul g; 16 July 2009, 14:25.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by paul g View Post
                  Charghe full price for ATCP to other departments
                  I think that point is more "Charge the banks full price for cash escorts"

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                  • #10
                    I think that point is more "Charge the banks full price for cash escorts"
                    Thats just common sense

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                    • #11
                      The snip report

                      Just got it off RTE news website:

                      "The Group is of the view that it should be possible to achieve a reduction of 500 Defence Forces personnel through natural wastage and non-filling of non-essential vacancies taking account of barrack reorganisation, consolidation of the command structure as well as the proposed rationalisation of Ireland’s overseas commitments. Based on the proportionate reduction in the 2009 net pay provision in the Defence Vote, the resultant saving in the pay provision should, over a 40 2-3 year period as operational requirements allow, rise to approximately €25m a year in 2009 prices.
                      The Group also considers that a smaller, more focused Reserve Defence Force (RDF) could deliver a more usable capability to the Defence Forces for less expenditure. It recommends accordingly that the RDF be reduced by two-thirds."


                      Opinions??

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Barry View Post
                        I think that point is more "Charge the banks full price for cash escorts"
                        They also want to charge other eepartments the full price for using MATS.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Barry View Post
                          ....they want to reduce the RDF by two thirds (of course, the RDF is so understrength anyway that this will only really require the loss of officers and SNCOs)
                          Effectively this is the death knell of the RDF.

                          Originally posted by paul g View Post
                          End of mission to Chad in 2010, rationalise number of missions we're deployed on...
                          Overseas missions are the only justification for the DF.
                          sigpic
                          Say NO to violence against Women

                          Originally posted by hedgehog
                          My favourite moment was when the
                          Originally posted by hedgehog
                          red headed old dear got a smack on her ginger head

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                          • #14
                            So they want to close the Brugha...
                            www.twitter.com/mickthehack

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Groundhog View Post
                              Effectively this is the death knell of the RDF.
                              I dunno about that, if done right it may get rid of a lot of the toxic leadership we're subjected to. But of course, the reorg wasn't done right, so there's no guarantee that this will be any different. But let's be optimistic! (and feel sorry for all the Commandants that are for the chop)

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