The Usefullness of the SLR

[Border Bunny]

For most of the AR nowadays going on a camp involves taking a massive pay cut.There are a lot of us who still do it for the love of it and not the money.

All the RDF do is 2 hours a weak plus the odd 'camp' (like boy scouts) what is their role in the DF.

The PDF apart from Defence of the State carry-out plus all our

What do the RDF do???

If we need Support in an Emergency it be the First Line Reserve Called Out.
The State also have The Civil Defence who also Aid the Civi Authorities and they do it unpaid Voluntarily in their spare time.

If you 'Love It' so much why are you not in the PDF?

[Groundhog]

Why

Two posts and (s)he's flaming already.

[Groundhog]

There are plenty of RDF personnel who do duties but they aren't allowed/let by the PDF!

That's the policy of D Reserve. RDF people doing duties eats into mandays.

[Traumagod]

All the RDF do is 2 hours a weak plus the odd 'camp' (like boy scouts) what is their role in the DF.

The PDF apart from Defence of the State carry-out Barrack Guards, MSGs, CITs, Brigade Stand To, Prisoner Escorts, EOD, Portlaois Prison Security, Central Bank Security, Security and Night Patrols of Goverment Buildings - Foreign Embassies - Airports - Docks etc etc. plus all our overseas missions.

What do the RDF do???

If we need Support in an Emergency it be the First Line Reserve Called Out.
The State also have The Civil Defence who also Aid the Civi Authorities and they do it unpaid Voluntarily in their spare time.

If you 'Love It' so much why are you not in the PDF?

Are you?

If I wanted to be in the PDF I would have joined years ago. Have you had a bad experience with the FCA /RDF in the past or something? You seem to have a vehement dislike of the organisation. Or are you ( if one at all) one of these PDF bigots who think we are after your jobs and allowances? Cop on, good lad.

[Traumagod]

Two posts and (s)he's flaming already.

Trolling I'd call it.

[X-RayOne]

All the RDF do is 2 hours a weak plus the odd 'camp' (like boy scouts) what is their role in the DF.

The PDF apart from Defence of the State carry-out Barrack Guards, MSGs, CITs, Brigade Stand To, Prisoner Escorts, EOD, Portlaois Prison Security, Central Bank Security, Security and Night Patrols of Goverment Buildings - Foreign Embassies - Airports - Docks etc etc. plus all our overseas missions.

What do the RDF do???

If we need Support in an Emergency it be the First Line Reserve Called Out.
The State also have The Civil Defence who also Aid the Civi Authorities and they do it unpaid Voluntarily in their spare time.

If you 'Love It' so much why are you not in the PDF?

Border Bunny....if you take away MSG, CIT, prisoner escorts, portlaoise, gov. buildings, central bank, etc. which are all ATCP (which i've given my views on us doing many times) what do you think we'd be doing?

answer is exactly same type of training as RDF...just more of it and more regulalry!!!

if there was an emergency you forget how small the 1st line reserve is! i severly doubt its enough manpower to back up the PDF. thats why the RDF is there too. to free up PDF bods if there was an emergency and maybe at some stage work with us.

the question shouldn't be what do the RDF do...but how can they be used better to serve the DF as a whole.

[DeV]

That's the policy of D Reserve. RDF people doing duties eats into mandays.

D Reserve being a member of ....

There is a budgeted number of security mandays

[Border Bunny]

Are you?

If I wanted to be in the PDF I would have joined years ago. Have you had a bad experience with the FCA /RDF in the past or something? You seem to have a vehement dislike of the organisation. Or are you ( if one at all) one of these PDF bigots who think we are after your jobs and allowances? Cop on, good lad.

Your missing my point.

The Second Line Reserve is a waste of tax payers money.
They are mostly ill trained and unfit to keep up with the PDF, intergrated exercises have show this.
Only 300 out of 9000 in intergrated reserve, 8700 wasters.

[Boomer]

All the RDF do is 2 hours a weak plus the odd 'camp' (like boy scouts) what is their role in the DF.

The "odd camp", hmmm my "boy scouts" (and they are no longer boy scouts for your information) do four camps a year at least plus plenty of single day activities etc.

Next year there is a good chance there will be two trips abroad for them if not more.

I would appreciate if you didnt compare the RDF to boy scouts, they are like chalk and cheese.

[Groundhog]

...I would appreciate if you didnt compare the RDF to boy scouts, they are like chalk and cheese.

He's pissed off the Scouts, he's pissed off the RDF. The boy has talent.

[Boomer]

He's pissed off the Scouts, he's pissed off the RDF. The boy has talent.

Sadly for him theres quite a few scout leaders on these forums.

[Traumagod]

Your missing my point.

The Second Line Reserve is a waste of tax payers money.
They are mostly ill trained and unfit to keep up with the PDF, intergrated exercises have show this.
Only 300 out of 9000 in intergrated reserve, 8700 wasters.

Answer the question are you or are you not PDF with a chip??

Sooooooo the two barristers, solicitor, paramedic, fitters, accountant, operations manager, teacher etc etc in MY unit who could not integrate are wasters????

Be very very careful lad. Remember you do not know who you insult on this.........

[Traumagod]

He's pissed off the Scouts, he's pissed off the RDF. The boy has talent.

He/she is pissing off half of society at this stage!

[ropebag]

Answer the question are you or are you not PDF with a chip??

Sooooooo the two barristers, solicitor, paramedic, fitters, accountant, operations manager, teacher etc etc in MY unit who could not integrate are wasters????

Be very very careful lad. Remember you do not know who you insult on this.........

i couldn't care less what job they do, the only calculation is around the military capability they provide. the reserve forces of a nation state are not job programs, nor social clubs, nor even 'taster' sessions for the regular army, they exist SOLEY to provide the state with military capability at less cost than regular troops while accepting that unlike regular troops they will require an element of 'build-up' training before becoming militarily effective.

thats it, no other purpose whatsoever.

given that, the RDF as it currently stands - with all its hugely valuable professionals, sadly very few of who could take the time to become proficient at what the RDF actually exists for - is of almost no use to the state whatsoever.

[Steyr Fan]

i couldn't care less what job they do, the only calculation is around the military capability they provide. the reserve forces of a nation state are not job programs, nor social clubs, nor even 'taster' sessions for the regular army, they exist SOLEY to provide the state with military capability at less cost than regular troops while accepting that unlike regular troops they will require an element of 'build-up' training before becoming militarily effective.

thats it, no other purpose whatsoever.

given that, the RDF as it currently stands - with all its hugely valuable professionals, sadly very few of who could take the time to become proficient at what the RDF actually exists for - is of almost no use to the state whatsoever.

Ropebag - be VERY careful what you write: you WILL be held to account on here in the future if/WHEN the RDF is tasked by the military authorities to provide XYZ. Your opinion will not be sought, you wil be ordered to carry out your duty. Remember, as a soldier (IF that is what you are - or are you a walt????) you follow orders. And in the Republic of Ireland, we follow the orders of out political masters whomsoever they may be (they are elected by the taxpayers). If the (reduced / streamlined / more effiecient / integrated) RDF are ordered to operate alongside or amongst the PDF, then that is what will happen. Get on with it, or fcuk off. NOW.