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  • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
    We certainly had to do some tidying up. There was some work done by the unloved kids in the Construction Corps. It was interesting in the site investigation for the building of the New Officers Mess that the site was an old Island dump for domestic waste. They had to pillar and raft the foundation for the building. About Block 8 the main consideration will be the drylining and breathable insulation plus the internal ship like construction of beams, knees and pillars holding up all floors. Major rewiring and catering for modern communications, plus heating and cooling, privacy and( military term) ablutions .
    That has the potential to be a killer, what started as dealing with dampness in the house I'm thinking of ended up with every joist and header on every floor being rotten and needing replacement, it's a good bet that Block would have the same material and potentially it being in the same condition, that's fairly major structural work alone if it's found.

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    • Is it time to sell the island to a developer, and start again in another port? That place must be worth a fortune, Tarquin could have his apartment and moor his yacht outside the front door. Would the money raised plus the money the DoD are planning to spend pay for a move?
      'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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      • Originally posted by spider View Post
        Is it time to sell the island to a developer, and start again in another port? That place must be worth a fortune, Tarquin could have his apartment and moor his yacht outside the front door. Would the money raised plus the money the DoD are planning to spend pay for a move?
        The island has a zone with hazardous chemicals in it, and listed buildings everywhere, Irish developers are nuts, but not that nuts. And if the DOD was true to form they'd just pocket the money and not bother setting up a new facility anywhere. If there was proper funding and a clear pathway the island would be more than enough I would say.

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        • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
          The island has a zone with hazardous chemicals in it, and listed buildings everywhere, Irish developers are nuts, but not that nuts. And if the DOD was true to form they'd just pocket the money and not bother setting up a new facility anywhere. If there was proper funding and a clear pathway the island would be more than enough I would say.
          In fairness, developers have form for building houses on top of illegal dumps in West Wicklow

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          • Originally posted by spider View Post
            Is it time to sell the island to a developer, and start again in another port? That place must be worth a fortune, Tarquin could have his apartment and moor his yacht outside the front door. Would the money raised plus the money the DoD are planning to spend pay for a move?
            If you wanted to house the whole service and include stores, parade grounds , recreational facilities, repair yard and ordnance, a home for OPW component and road transport , Oil Depot and tanks, and in addition about 800m of quay wall with power take ups for 8/9 ships, fresh water, and waste disposal. You might build a new port in any deepwater harbour by reclamation, dredging , and a budget of some billions .

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            • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
              If you wanted to house the whole service and include stores, parade grounds , recreational facilities, repair yard and ordnance, a home for OPW component and road transport , Oil Depot and tanks, and in addition about 800m of quay wall with power take ups for 8/9 ships, fresh water, and waste disposal. You might build a new port in any deepwater harbour by reclamation, dredging , and a budget of some billions .
              Seriously, in any Naval Service that wishes to expand it's range of operations, it needs a dedicated port like Portsmouth, or Plymouth. Possibly an East Coast development for MCM and a west coast dispersal base for OPV's such as Sligo. Retaining Haulbowline for Stores, Repairs , Training, Fuel storage, Radio Station, HQ, Drydock etc.
              Last edited by ancientmariner; 27 May 2020, 08:38.

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              • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                Seriously, in any Naval Service that wishes to expand it's range of operations, it needs a dedicated port like Portsmouth, or Plymouth. Possibly an East Coast development for MCM and a west coast dispersal base for OPV's such as Sligo. Retaining Haulbowline for Stores, Repairs , Training, Fuel storage, Radio Station, HQ, Drydock etc.
                Dún Laoghaire would have been useful in this regard, but it's been completely handed over to the leasure boaters. A waste of a fine port, with plenty of quay space, easily secured. Surprised CIL haven't been kicked out too.

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                • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                  Dún Laoghaire would have been useful in this regard, but it's been completely handed over to the leasure boaters. A waste of a fine port, with plenty of quay space, easily secured. Surprised CIL haven't been kicked out too.
                  Not big enough

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                  • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                    Not big enough
                    Dún Laoghaire not big enough? It is several time the size of the basin at Haulbowline.

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                    • If you took back the Ferryport, its dockside and the Old Carlisle pier south of it, along with the south wall, you would fit everything berthed in Haulbowline and the Oil Wharf. The Basin has a total of 280m of quay space. The old ferry terminal alone has 140m, Carlisle Pier 110m either side. The East pier itself bears the painted names of many a Naval visitor over the years. You just have to know where to look.
                      Is it in use for anything other than the yacht club these days?
                      Wouldnt be the first time the Naval service evicted a Yacht club from its home.

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                      • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                        Dún Laoghaire not big enough? It is several time the size of the basin at Haulbowline.
                        I’m talking about landside. ie offices, Accomodiation, stores, workshops, dining halls, messes etc etc

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                        • There isn't that much in that regard in Haulbowline either. Most of the larger buildings there are empty. Without the Cadets or recruits in training, you don't need as much space. We aren't talking about moving the whole service there, just basing maybe a squadrom of whatever will replace the peacocks, plus room for other Naval visitors to berth securely.

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                          • Dun Laoghaire Rathdown Council would rather see cruise ships than naval ships occupying the vacant piers , the cruise ship idea is not likely to happen since the Council got lumbered with the harbour's debt when it was handed over from Dublin Port so maybe the Council might be interested swapping the debt for a Naval Base .
                            Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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                            • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                              If you wanted to house the whole service and include stores, parade grounds , recreational facilities, repair yard and ordnance, a home for OPW component and road transport , Oil Depot and tanks, and in addition about 800m of quay wall with power take ups for 8/9 ships, fresh water, and waste disposal. You might build a new port in any deepwater harbour by reclamation, dredging , and a budget of some billions .
                              I'm only floating an idea...what made me think was some of the comments about the state of Haulbowline.

                              Emotional attachments are fine...but do you need to locate all those facilities in one place?

                              The admin and training functions could possibly take place elsewhere, in existing DF facilities, whilst the operational and engineering end of things moves to a site in a commercial port or ports.

                              I can remember the uproar when Belfast RNR had to leave the harbour (HMS Caroline) and move to Thiepval Barracks (HMS Hibernia)...about 20 miles inland.

                              Turns out it was a good move for them...good gyms...a large pool...modern accommodation...medical / welfare facilities...miles from the sea but they still manage to admin themselves and do a lot of their training there.

                              Clearly theres no comparison between a smallish reserve unit and an entire Naval establishment, but it shows what can be done.
                              'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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                              • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                                There isn't that much in that regard in Haulbowline either. Most of the larger buildings there are empty. Without the Cadets or recruits in training, you don't need as much space. We aren't talking about moving the whole service there, just basing maybe a squadrom of whatever will replace the peacocks, plus room for other Naval visitors to berth securely.
                                Originally posted by spider View Post
                                I'm only floating an idea...what made me think was some of the comments about the state of Haulbowline.

                                Emotional attachments are fine...but do you need to locate all those facilities in one place?

                                The admin and training functions could possibly take place elsewhere, in existing DF facilities, whilst the operational and engineering end of things moves to a site in a commercial port or ports.

                                I can remember the uproar when Belfast RNR had to leave the harbour (HMS Caroline) and move to Thiepval Barracks (HMS Hibernia)...about 20 miles inland.

                                Turns out it was a good move for them...good gyms...a large pool...modern accommodation...medical / welfare facilities...miles from the sea but they still manage to admin themselves and do a lot of their training there.

                                Clearly theres no comparison between a smallish reserve unit and an entire Naval establishment, but it shows what can be done.
                                Ah ok

                                But with a service that is finding it hard to stay operational as is ????

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