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  • Charging an MP.

    Whats the story with bringing disciplinary charges against a member of the military police? Obviously they are not exempt but can any senior rank charge an MP?

    Reason i'm asking is i was witness to an incident recently where a C/S clashed with a PA. The PA was doing his job (traffic control) and there was an issue with access to a certain location. The C/S was employed within an area that was cut off and asked the PA could he go through. The PA said no there was no access through that point, and the C/S wouldn't have made an issue of it only his tone was dismissive and very rude. So he informed him of who he was and his rank and the PA responded with 'I couldnt care less who you are, there's no one coming through here'.

    Anyway needless to say, the C/S in question (usually a very mild mannered man) dismounted the vehicle we were in and proceeded to tear him a new one.

    We were driving away afterwards and we started discussing what had just happened and neither one of us were sure how(if he decided to) he would go about charging the guy?

    Can he just initiate charges the normal way or is there a special procedure? And if a PA is charged does it affect him any differently than it does a soldier? (Note the sly little dig at PA's there, but it is a serious question.)
    Tango_Charlie
    C/S
    Last edited by Tango_Charlie; 5 September 2009, 17:20.

  • #2
    I'd imagine it'd be just like charging a real Cpl (ha) that's in a different unit to yourself. I've never heard of any differences in procedure. You may have issues with the PA saying they were just doing their job though!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Barry View Post
      I'd imagine it'd be just like charging a real Cpl (ha) that's in a different unit to yourself. I've never heard of any differences in procedure. You may have issues with the PA saying they were just doing their job though!

      Doing his job is one thing but being insubordinate is another entirely. The C/S wasn't being a prick when he informed him who he was, he was just gently reminding the guy that he was a Cpl speaking to a C/S.

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      • #4
        Should be good for a 133 and 168 so. Not exactly career-ending, but should teach the PA to show a bit more cop on when speaking to senior ranks.

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        • #5
          I dont think the same guy has ever charged anyone in his whole career and i doubt he will charge that guy.

          Personally i would have nailed him to the wall. But then again i have never charged anyone either. And please god i wont ever have to.

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          • #6
            Try contacting MP Coy for advice

            Seriously taught, maybe ask Coy Comdr to contact MP Coy Commander

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            • #7
              just being the devils advocate here but id say everyone tells the mps the same stories regarding pressing buisness ,and when that fails the rank card is played by some , no excuse for being rude however and the MP should just sent the CS up his chain of command ,
              "take a look to the sky right before you die, its the last time you will"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by greyfox View Post
                just being the devils advocate here but id say everyone tells the mps the same stories regarding pressing buisness ,and when that fails the rank card is played by some , no excuse for being rude however and the MP should just sent the CS up his chain of command ,
                He wasn't in any way throwing the rank card. He was merely identifying himself and explaining what his business was. And also giving the MP a chance to dig himself into a deeper hole.

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                • #9
                  As Barry says, your only ammunition is the Defence Act, and whether your C/S had a
                  witness present...
                  "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                  • #10
                    MPs confusing their authority with their rank is not a particularly uncommon occurrence. Usually solved by an unofficial senior-enlisted to senior-enlisted chat.

                    NTM
                    Driver, tracks, troops.... Drive and adjust!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by California Tanker View Post
                      MPs confusing their authority with their rank is not a particularly uncommon occurrence. Usually solved by an unofficial senior-enlisted to senior-enlisted chat.

                      NTM
                      Thats it in a nutshell!

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                      • #12
                        Sew the wind...reap the whirlwind,

                        Always to be borne in mind when dealing with people who may hold power well beyond their rank.

                        If there was a wintness it would be a completely different ball game but if it was a one on one, making it stick would be tricky.
                        Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                        • #13
                          This is black and white as far as I can see. TC witnessed what happened. If I was the CS I'd just charge him and let his CO sort him out. The only dialogue that I'd enter into with him would be to get his number, rank, and name and inform him that I'm charging him and the cheeky f*** would be at attention while I was doing so. Little men, dressed in authority.
                          The worst sin toward our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them: that's the essence of inhumanity.
                          (George Bernard Shaw, Playwright, 1856 - 1950)

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                          • #14
                            Has anyone else noticed that PA's seem to be getting younger and younger? (Or am i just getting older?). I've seen the last few military police courses that have been ran in the curragh, and a few guys that i trained as recruits were on them.

                            These are guys who had less than a year 'on the lines'. Good guys i'll admit but if you ask me someone should have at least a 3 years service before being considered for a place on an MP course.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Tango_Charlie View Post
                              Has anyone else noticed that PA's seem to be getting younger and younger? (Or am i just getting older?)....
                              That could easily be an alternative version of "Janie Mac, I'm Nearly Forty" !!!
                              "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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