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    The 80th Army Cadet class will be starting in a few weeks. One question that springs to mind is: why does Irish officer training take so long at 21 months?

    Two other models are;

    British Army cadets who spend 44 weeks at Sandhurst, or

    West Point cadets who take 4 years, but also do a degree in the process, which most Irish officers will have already, or do post-commissioning. (ROTC candidates spend about 40 weeks cumulatively in training over their academic course).

    What is the common form of officer training in Europe?


    Are Irish cadets particularly slow :D, or does their course cover a lot more material than others?

    Will there be a move towards recruiting more graduates as cadets, mirroring international trends, and saving the DoD some money?
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    With 50,000 men getting killed a week, who's going to miss a pigeon?

    Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people.

  • #2
    well yj, having as much experience with the mil as yerself (if not less!), all I can say is that by the looks of the world-beating ARW(who must have some ex-cadets in the ranks, right?), the system works!
    If you have to do it, you always have to do it right. Either it makes a difference, or it’s good practice so that when it does make a difference, it gets done right.

    -Me.

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    • #3
      The latest RACO Policy document - Mid-August - talks about reducing the commissionning course to not less than 12 months. Also mentioned is the amalgamation of the Potential Officer course and the Cadet course. Graduate Entrants will also do the same course but will be commissioned as Captains.

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      • #4
        ive 12 months done, and if ive another 9 to do to get commissioned then everyone else can do it aswell............................good luck to any of the 80th lads, i'll beast your ass in comhalóirs, hahahaha

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        • #5
          Does beasting not constitute a form of bullying?


          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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          • #6
            I think they must have a donkey down there....

            regards etc
            Support the Search Function.

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            • #7
              No beasting is not bullying:D :D
              Live long and prosper!

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              • #8
                Beasting was the accepted form of turning civvies into soldiers. Watch out, I'll probably get slapped on the wrist for saying that.

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                • #9
                  What for telling the truth?Hope not buddy!Anyhow it never went away & why should it?
                  Live long and prosper!

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                  • #10
                    The 21 month course (which is being reduced to 15 months????) includes a wide variety of areas, including:

                    all the basics - foot drill, arms drills, steyr etc
                    Instructor training
                    PT Leader (I think)
                    the Infantry Light Support Weapons Course (84, 60 mortar, GPMG (SF) - this is a number if months alone
                    politics, history, languages, etc

                    Basically everyone is trained as a infantry officer, in the UK for example the cadets get more basic infantry training before going to corps training after RMA.

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                    • #11
                      Ha...I'll be grand if i get in with a history and politcis degree then!!!as for languages, i'm up shit creek...I may take the basic Irish courses offered by the college
                      What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                      • #12
                        officer training

                        Originally posted by DeV View Post
                        The 21 month course (which is being reduced to 15 months????) includes a wide variety of areas, including:

                        all the basics - foot drill, arms drills, steyr etc
                        Instructor training
                        PT Leader (I think)
                        the Infantry Light Support Weapons Course (84, 60 mortar, GPMG (SF) - this is a number if months alone
                        politics, history, languages, etc

                        Basically everyone is trained as a infantry officer, in the UK for example the cadets get more basic infantry training before going to corps training after RMA.

                        Presumably the cadet course includes the same material that is covered in basic recruit training? If so, why not have all new entrants to the DF come in as recruits, and then after a certain period (6 months? 12 months?) those who are interested, qualified, and considered suitable, can go on and do officer training?

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                        • #13
                          Because thats what the interview is for sorting out...
                          Factories dont burn themselves down, they need help from people like you and me.

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                          • #14
                            Some of the European armies work like that Carrington, but they mainly come from the system of conscription.

                            Westpoint: the bulk of the military training takes place in the summer:
                            1st summer - 6 weeks
                            2nd summer - nearly 8 weeks of squad/pln level tactics
                            3rd summer - specialist training around the world

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                            • #15
                              Light Support Weapons Course (84, 60 mortar, GPMG (SF) - this is a number if months alone
                              AFAIK this is now done immediately after commissioning, in the IWW in the Curragh, followed by the PSO Platoon Comdrs Cse.
                              "Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals to command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals to edit the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper that these editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from the start but didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing to yield my place to these best generals and I'll do my best for the cause by editing a newspaper"
                              Gen. Robert E. Lee

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