Aid to civil power

[trellheim]

Luchi infracted for 30 days for ignoring direct mod warning, thread closed.

[riflemangundy]

There are lots of RIRA / CIRA / INLA types there though.

whilst out on an ex one night was talkin with a PDF man and he said one of the lads in his unit was doin duties in portlaoise and one of the INLA lads said to him 'well wear on the new car' and he took army transport in or o he said!

he said the ira lads were alright but the rest wanted ya dead!

[hedgehog]

I think you hit the nail on the head there

and your so spot on

I think anymore dicussion of this point would be moot and should be mute

[Hello Alaska]

But we are not really.

Its more of a "is it a worthwhile task".

SF thats the point.

For as long as the DF holds its raid free record one cannot say for certain that there is a risk. However without the protection a CIT would become a very lucrative target and have a high risk of being a target.

But it is all supposition..............................

There's quite a few people who can say there's a risk.

However, such risks etc. shouldn't really be discussed here.

[luchi]

Why are we even talking about CIT's

we really shouldnt be

naughty naughty

But we are not really.

Its more of a "is it a worthwhile task".

SF thats the point.

For as long as the DF holds its raid free record one cannot say for certain that there is a risk. However without the protection a CIT would become a very lucrative target and have a high risk of being a target.

But it is all supposition..............................

[trellheim]

which is correct. No More CIT discussions. Or infractions etc

[hedgehog]

Why are we even talking about CIT's

we really shouldnt be

naughty naughty

[Steyr Fan]

[QUOTE=luchi;256959]Personally STA but I remember another thread where someone asked the question of how lilkely is it to happen or how often has it happened. The answer from one of you experts was that it hasn't happened and is unlikely to.
So basing the risk assessment on observed trends one would deduce that it is an unlikely event. Which suggests either the DF is wasting resources doing CIT or that the escorts are a very effective deterrant. Neither can be proved.QUOTE]

Withdraw the CIT, then see how many hit ups there would be. There's a few very naughty & nasty criminal gangs that would like to get their paws on the cash.

[Victor]

Portlaois is another example, there are no provo's there, but its the only prison in Europe with soldiers protecting it.

There are lots of RIRA / CIRA / INLA types there though.

[Victor]

Totally off the point, but aren't the boxes the cash are carried in fitted with anti-tamper devices that set off a dye if somebody without a key try to open them, thus rendering the stolen money more or less unusuable.

Try telling convincing that to some cokehead who just wants his next fix.

There are lots of measures available to reduce the amount of cash on the merry-go-round, but people (and the government) are slow on the uptake.

[DeV]

Totally off the point, but aren't the boxes the cash are carried in fitted with anti-tamper devices that set off a dye if somebody without a key try to open them, thus rendering the stolen money more or less unusuable.

Yes but... they are openable in order to put the cash in & take the cash out

Or is CIT one of those things that the defence forces got involved in during the Provo campaign, and still keep up, simply because nobody has bothered to re-risk assess the situation. Portlaois is another example, there are no provo's there, but its the only prison in Europe with soldiers protecting it.

I'd say if the DF didn't see the requirement or a threat they wouldn't be continued. Look at the amount of CIT raids


http://www.cilt.ie/press/press/120-n...r-awards-.html

Said officer suggested 3 ways of reducing CIT robberies:
a) a docking system so staff wouldn't have to leave the CIT vehicle
b) video recording during the entire journey
c) reducing the handling of the cash (eg at the retail & at the bank)

[paul g]

Totally off the point, but aren't the boxes the cash are carried in fitted with anti-tamper devices that set off a dye if somebody without a key try to open them, thus rendering the stolen money more or less unusuable.

Or is CIT one of those things that the defence forces got involved in during the Provo campaign, and still keep up, simply because nobody has bothered to re-risk assess the situation. Portlaois is another example, there are no provo's there, but its the only prison in Europe with soldiers protecting it.

[Bravo20]

There are enough nutters in this country with access to guns (some of them on this board) without adding more to the pile.

[strummer]

Originally posted by JAG
Strummer, why not private concerns running ATCP- because we can fire the government every five years. Its a little harder to get ridof Chuibb Securiforce. Apart from anything else, they have more money and better lawyers.

JAG,
I'm not sure that I catch your drift here! Who would be firing who? What has the govt got to do with it? If the banks, mining companies, or whoever need armed security, they would hire their own or hire armed security guards from Securicor, Chubb or whoever. If the service proved to be unsatisfactory they could fire them and get another firm in to do it.

My point was that the banks, etc, are getting tax-payer subsidised security services for which their contribution comes nowhere near the cost of covering.

Let them hire their own guards and take the tax-payer out of the loop.

Having said all of that, Murf makes a good point in that ATCP is precisely what the DF's mission is.

So who knows what the solution is......

Later.

[hptmurphy]

Primary role of the DF is to protect the state from internal agression.....is this not ATCP in a nutshell.....why are people trying to seperate the role......how this role is performed is in the form of ATCP.....next thing you'll be asking is how can we privatise the army.........Just because you have a standing army dosen't mean you have to go off on great crusades trying to free the world from dictatorships...or maybe some of you would prefer this to justify the costs!