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  • Officers Pay Question

    Was just looking at officers pay rate.....

    What is the difference between Class A & class C ?

  • #2
    It's PRSI.

    Officers pre 1995 are Class C. Class C is less than Class A but there are practically zero benefits

    All officers post 1995 are Class A, which is higher PRSI but will the full range of benefits as per all ranks.

    The two salaries are different in an effort to redress the anomaly.
    Last edited by Jessup; 26 November 2009, 02:00.

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    • #3
      CLASS A BENEFITS
      • Jobseeker's Benefit
      • Illness Benefit
      • Health and Safety Benefit
      • Maternity Benefit
      • Adoptive Benefit
      • Invalidity Pension
      • Widow's or Widower's (Contributory) Pension
      • Guardian's Payment (Contributory)
      • State Pension (Transition)
      • State Pension (Contributory)
      • Bereavement Grant
      • Treatment Benefit
      • Occupational Injuries Benefits
      • Carer's Benefit



      PRSI Class C
      People within CLASS C:
      Commissioned Army Officers and members of the Army Nursing Service, recruited prior to 6 April, 1995.
      CLASS C BENEFITS
      • Widow's or Widower's (Contributory) Pension
      • Guardian's Payment (Contributory)
      • Bereavement Grant
      • Carer's Benefit


      http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Topics/PRSI...siclasses.aspx

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      • #4
        Cheers

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        • #5
          junior officers were not paid well when i was a member it was only from cpt up that the money began to improve i dont know what the situation is now.

          What good is in youth when it's ageing what joy are in eyes that cant see when there's sorrow in sunshine and flowers and only our rivers run free.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by seven.sixtwo View Post
            junior officers were not paid well when i was a member it was only from cpt up that the money began to improve i dont know what the situation is now.
            Junior officer pay these days is actually quite attractive for a graduate straight out of college, especially if you take the view that the time in the Military College is a post-grad of sorts, though it does seem to stagnate compared to some increases in the private sector.

            I doubt the salary is the primary incentive for anyone joining the Defence Forces, though.
            Last edited by FoxtrotRK; 30 November 2009, 12:15.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by seven.sixtwo View Post
              junior officers were not paid well when i was a member it was only from cpt up that the money began to improve i dont know what the situation is now.
              Check out this link http://www.defence.ie/WebSite.nsf/Do...E?editDocument

              Remember it's Class A for everyone since 1995 so that would include all junior officers. The figures in this document seem to be out slightly when compared to the recent Cadet Brochure? Use 'Rate 1' for Line Officers and remember to add €5k MSA annually.

              Anyway, you're right in one way. There is still a big jump (€4k) between 2/Lt and Lt but as graduates skip 2/Lt completely, with most going to increment 4 on the Lt scale, that doesn't affect them.

              As for Lt to Capt it's a similar development. You spend four years as Lt now so the non graduate who spends two years as a 2/Lt and then four years as a Lt would notice a big jump from increment 4 on the Lt scale to increment 1 on the Capt scale, (around 5k). The graduate doesn't really notice this as they go from increment 8 of the Lt scale to increment 1 on the Capt scale which is just over €1k.

              I suppose the big disparity in Captains pay versus 2/Lts and Lts is inevitable as the increments are being applied to a larger base and then there are the two Long Service Increments too (although these are less relevant nowadays with a return of Captains making Comdt as it was pre the hump)

              Consider this;

              School Leaver

              Cadet; 18 years old - €20k
              2/Lt; 20 years old - €34k
              Lt; 22 years old - €38k
              Capt; 26 years old - €47k


              Graduate

              Cadet; 22 years old - €25k
              2/Lt; N/A
              Lt; 24 years old - €43k
              Capt; 28 years old - €47k


              If the graduate system takes over then the gap between 2/Lt and Lt pay versus Capt pay will disappear by association.
              Last edited by Jessup; 30 November 2009, 13:20.

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              • #8
                Note BTW the discussion above is applicable to PDF Officer pay only, RDF officers [ as with other ranks ] pay PRSI at the Class J rate [ which entitles you to f*k all ]

                see

                http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1992/en/si/0083.html

                and related documents.
                "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                • #9
                  Because you pay Class A PRSI for your main job maybe?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                    Note BTW the discussion above is applicable to PDF Officer pay only, RDF officers [ as with other ranks ] pay PRSI at the Class J rate [ which entitles you to f*k all ]

                    see

                    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1992/en/si/0083.html

                    and related documents.
                    PRSI Class J
                    People within CLASS J:

                    People in industrial, commercial and service-type employment who are employed under a contract of service and whose gross earnings are less than €38 per week from all employments;
                    People insured for Occupational Injuries Benefits only, e.g. employees aged 66 years or over;
                    People participating in certain FÁS training schemes who are insurable for Occupational Injuries Benefits only, and
                    People whose employment is of a subsidiary nature or of inconsiderable extent, e.g. people insurable at Class B, C, D or H in their main employment and who have a second job; attendants at Department of Education Examinations; Presiding Officers and Poll Clerks at Elections, and R.D.F. members on annual training.


                    CLASS J BENEFITS

                    Occupational Injuries Benefits


                    http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Topics/PRSI...siclasses.aspx

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                    • #11
                      How do the Senior NCOs salaries compare with officers,
                      For example how does a CS. or BSM salary compare with a Capt, Kommadant, Cols etc,

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                      • #12
                        http://www.military.ie/careers/pay/index.htm

                        That should clear it up for you Bandit.
                        Aut viam inveniam aut faciam.

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                        • #13
                          More up to date: http://www.defence.ie/WebSite.nsf/Do...E?editDocument

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