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Originally posted by FougaM View PostWith all of the flooding, nobody has asked :
"How does the army fill sandbags?"
Are they still filling them by hand? It wouldn't surprise me if they were.
Anyway here are some sandbag filling machines:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caYPP...eature=related
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Originally posted by FougaM View PostWith all of the flooding, nobody has asked :
"How does the army fill sandbags?"
Are they still filling them by hand? It wouldn't surprise me if they were.
Originally posted by Border Bunny View PostYes, we have them and they are being used in the flooded areas.sigpic
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Originally posted by Border Bunny View PostYes, we have them and they are being used in the flooded areas.But there's no danger
It's a professional career
Though it could be arranged
With just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear
If you're out of luck you're out of work
We could send you to johannesburg.
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As GTTC said, frame with invertred traffic cone. But its not slow...
Two shovelling,
Two holding sandbag under cones,
Two to tie bags,
One to stack on pallets.
Two sets of the above, add a little wager between PDF and RDF equals 64 full pallets in 3 days.....
Oh and add in an idiot on the fork lift (ME) all works wellSigs - No amps, no volts = no interest
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Should the DF / CD / County Councils stock up such things as Hesco barriers, or variations of?
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GttC
Hesco is awesome , saves on time and manpower , requires some plant to fill ( a jcb ) and a plate compactor for the contents but so much better than sandbagsEvery man thinks meanly of himself for not having been a soldier - Samuel Johnson
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Originally posted by old rec View PostAs GTTC said, frame with invertred traffic cone. But its not slow...
Two shovelling,
Two holding sandbag under cones,
Two to tie bags,
One to stack on pallets.
Two sets of the above, add a little wager between PDF and RDF equals 64 full pallets in 3 days.....
Oh and add in an idiot on the fork lift (ME) all works well
64 pallets in 3 days??? Since when do flood warnings come 3 days before an incident?
64 pallets are needed hours before the flooding.
Lets say that they are all privates, then that is €12,000 approx. to create 64 pallets of sand bags, not including the cost of sand, bags, or support. Pretty expensive when that money could be used to buy a machine and use the troops to stack the bags on a barrier or other duties.
As usual the solution is to throw personnel at problems.
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Originally posted by FougaM View PostSo that is seven personnel before the sand bags even get put onto a truck or into a barrier, pretty poor efficiency if you ask me.
64 pallets in 3 days??? Since when do flood warnings come 3 days before an incident?
64 pallets are needed hours before the flooding.
Lets say that they are all privates, then that is €12,000 approx. to create 64 pallets of sand bags, not including the cost of sand, bags, or support. Pretty expensive when that money could be used to buy a machine and use the troops to stack the bags on a barrier or other duties.
As usual the solution is to throw personnel at problems.
Good reply - a few errors though.
Ok, first off you asked a question about the sandbags being filled by hand - the answer is YES as almost every other poster has answered including myself.
Poor efficiency? Probably, but the sandbags needed to be filled asap. Your linked mechanical devises would pump out sandbags at super speed, however not one of them TIES the individual bags.
The above mentioned figure for pallets ready for use is from Tues to Thurs. Other members of my unit were filling and stacking bags the previous week when the flood waters were rising and continued to fill and stack last weekend.
The 64 filled pallets are on standby for the weekend. This thing isnt over yet, not in the west anyway!
Where did you get the 12K figure from???
The PDF were getting paid already (there was talk about extra duty pay).
The RDF weren't getting paid.
The sand would be needed anyway if your Walter Mitty machines were in use!!
Likewise the sandbags.
The pallets were..... ahem... aquired.
The Fire Service provided the yard and tools. They fed us also.
Very little cost for an essential service.
Really its about what was needed on the ground - Manual labour. A big fancy machine could have done the job too but there are questions then of who pays for it? Who owns it? Who is responsible for Maintenance? If it was government owned where would it be kept? (The e- voting machine storage debacle again???)
Please dont take this as a personal attack against you Fouga. One of the linked machines would have been ideal had there been sufficient warning and time to place the machines in affected area's prior to the incidents.
It just smacks of an officers idea. While their debating the merits of the machine, us NCO's and Pte's are out in the shed simply filling the bags by hand. ie. getting the job done..Sigs - No amps, no volts = no interest
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