RM teaching in the Curragh.

[Vickers]

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[Captain Edmund Blackadder]

Báin taithneamh,

le méas, ar misiúin síocháin,

Capt. B

[hptmurphy]

Using the term 'british soldier'doesnt equate to anything- infact i have two close mates who are 1 Royal Irish, a mate who's goin to the REME, a mate Just back from AOSB and I have spent many a holiday in bars being regaled by british soldiers about there experience's of northern ireland. So to suggest that i have a problem with the british army is bollocks.

Secondly as i pointed out this has nothing to do with the RDF or my membership there of, my advice on that front is to stop making it out to be, you do know my motivations as i have clearly outlined why i posted what i posted, yet you seem to have this idea that i have some alterioir motive. I dont.

As for seeing a man wronged, you know as well as i do from previous experience that i will stand up for people who need to be stood up for (ref the goldie/dirtyshirt outing thread)

As for the RM in the curragh- despite what you may think i have no problem with it and long may it continue.

The intention of the clafirication was not directed at you personally, merely there are a faction who beileve them selves to be above all, including dignity

TBC at no time were included in that

Again this was not directed at you

Secondly as i pointed out this has nothing to do with the RDF or my membership there of, my advice on that front is to stop making it out to be, you do know my motivations as i have clearly outlined why i posted what i posted, yet you seem to have this idea that i have some alterioir motive. I dont.

As for seeing a man wronged, you know as well as i do from previous experience that i will stand up for people who need to be stood up for (ref the goldie/dirtyshirt outing thread)

Admirable.

As for the RM in the curragh- despite what you may think i have no problem with it and long may it continue.

again admirable

As for the 'Elderstatesman' i wasnt trying to blow smoke up your arse, you are normlly one of the more mature posters around here. This i thought was borne out of your service in both the NS and the RDF. Personally i always enjoyed reading your contribution to the naval days past thread

Elderstatesman would be equated with some one who could throw oil on troubled waters to bear out his experience to de escalate a situation, In this mode I am not that although I appreciate the sentiment.


Point (c) is in reference to a group rather than an individual. This group offends me.

Tc you may have some fine qualities but being able to read between the lines is not one of them, Read, re read, understand, reference and then post, and see how little you have to defend. Research as opposed to reaction being sometime a quality best learned before taking on those who have the experience of years.

Still works for me.

[RoyalGreenJacket]

jesus lads this has escalated a bit!

look - it's christmas, lets put this to rest.

i'm guilty of a lot of things but thanks for your support murph - it's noted, and you are entitled to your opinions too TC and i respect that.

so lets leave it at that - whatever it is! and for peace sake (or is it pete's sake?!) i'm not gonna continue arguing on the other thread which started off as a request for IT help but ended up in a beurocratic stand off!

happy christmas and lets have a great new year fellas!

[turbocalves]

I did substantiate them, directly after I added my tuppence worth again there was adirect attack on the person in light of the fact he was a 'British Soldier' as opposed to either just a soldier or an Irish man serving in the UK armed forces.



call it as I see and that was how I see it.

Given the initial subject matter I think the argument has outlived its usefulness.

(a) RGJ did nothing wrong and was yet again targeted because of who and what he is.

(b) the officer who made the visit to the Curragh is not the anomally he is made out to be and the larger majority of people on the island really don't care whether the RM lecture here or not and they are quite welcome to do so at the request of the DF.

(c) There is almost a faction in the RDF who believe that their opinion on military life is far accurate than those who do the job for a living and feel it gives them a right to belittle professional service people at every oppertunity and believe because of their volunteer status albeit part time gives them the right to ram their preconcieved ideas and myths down the throats of those who know better.

While there is definetly an element of ballhopping and speculation goes on in the Df and like all organisations is not free from rumour mongering and sometimes the information gleaned from these far from policy there are those who take it to be gospel.

If fairness most of those here from the full timers side of the fence are not predisposed to this. Many of the RDF people in fairness are of the same ilk although we still do have a problem with people introducing unadulterated shite to increase their post count.

Where do I fall in this given I have been accused of misdirecting conversations and entering the realms of fantasy.

I have been out of the DF system in its entirity for 12months, my posts on current affairs in the DF are directly from those I am in contact with,

A lot of my other pots relate to items from the past.

My inerjection into other posts maybe in the format of a historical interest and then there is this time round.

I cannot stand to see a man wronged merely because he provides an alternative insight into his profession and is the cruicified when he offers an opinion.

I don't think its the people writing the posts are the problems in most cases but there interpretation of the written word given their ignorance of the people writing and how their opinions are formed.

Finally as being an 'elder statesman' I stuck around as there was some interesting stuff to be had here, I can across some old comrades, made some new friends, sun a few yarns, laughed at a few more. I don't think I'm elder statesman material, and I certainly haven't done anything here worth gaining respect, I just hang around while it suits me and while I can offer something to someone who might need advice or sources.

Had I wanted to a states man, I would have had to be a mod, I tried that, wouldn't work out, but in light of all I've just said if some feels that I should be moderated or banned, go ahead. You have your rules, I've broken them enough, I probably deserve it.

Point of note..I have not been at the ****ing sherry,, as will automatically be assumed.

Murph, you should probably hit the sherry becuase you've read me horibly wrong......

Using the term 'british soldier'doesnt equate to anything- infact i have two close mates who are 1 Royal Irish, a mate who's goin to the REME, a mate Just back from AOSB and I have spent many a holiday in bars being regaled by british soldiers about there experience's of northern ireland. So to suggest that i have a problem with the british army is bollocks.

Secondly as i pointed out this has nothing to do with the RDF or my membership there of, my advice on that front is to stop making it out to be, you do know my motivations as i have clearly outlined why i posted what i posted, yet you seem to have this idea that i have some alterioir motive. I dont.

As for seeing a man wronged, you know as well as i do from previous experience that i will stand up for people who need to be stood up for (ref the goldie/dirtyshirt outing thread)

As for the RM in the curragh- despite what you may think i have no problem with it and long may it continue.


As for the 'Elderstatesman' i wasnt trying to blow smoke up your arse, you are normlly one of the more mature posters around here. This i thought was borne out of your service in both the NS and the RDF. Personally i always enjoyed reading your contribution to the naval days past thread .

anyways if you wanna think i'm a bigot, or insecure or whatever thats your call,

see ya round

TC

[hptmurphy]

Unlike yourself who invented a fantasy about what my issue is. Further to this you made a claim about bigots on the board without any attempts to substantiate them.

I did substantiate them, directly after I added my tuppence worth again there was adirect attack on the person in light of the fact he was a 'British Soldier' as opposed to either just a soldier or an Irish man serving in the UK armed forces.

would ask you as somebody I respect, and as an elder statesman of the board. To say what you have to say without equivocating or misdirecting, I may not like it but I will respect your honesty

call it as I see and that was how I see it.

Given the initial subject matter I think the argument has outlived its usefulness.

(a) RGJ did nothing wrong and was yet again targeted because of who and what he is.

(b) the officer who made the visit to the Curragh is not the anomally he is made out to be and the larger majority of people on the island really don't care whether the RM lecture here or not and they are quite welcome to do so at the request of the DF.

(c) There is almost a faction in the RDF who believe that their opinion on military life is far accurate than those who do the job for a living and feel it gives them a right to belittle professional service people at every oppertunity and believe because of their volunteer status albeit part time gives them the right to ram their preconcieved ideas and myths down the throats of those who know better.

While there is definetly an element of ballhopping and speculation goes on in the Df and like all organisations is not free from rumour mongering and sometimes the information gleaned from these far from policy there are those who take it to be gospel.

If fairness most of those here from the full timers side of the fence are not predisposed to this. Many of the RDF people in fairness are of the same ilk although we still do have a problem with people introducing unadulterated shite to increase their post count.

Where do I fall in this given I have been accused of misdirecting conversations and entering the realms of fantasy.

I have been out of the DF system in its entirity for 12months, my posts on current affairs in the DF are directly from those I am in contact with,

A lot of my other pots relate to items from the past.

My inerjection into other posts maybe in the format of a historical interest and then there is this time round.

I cannot stand to see a man wronged merely because he provides an alternative insight into his profession and is the cruicified when he offers an opinion.

I don't think its the people writing the posts are the problems in most cases but there interpretation of the written word given their ignorance of the people writing and how their opinions are formed.

Finally as being an 'elder statesman' I stuck around as there was some interesting stuff to be had here, I can across some old comrades, made some new friends, sun a few yarns, laughed at a few more. I don't think I'm elder statesman material, and I certainly haven't done anything here worth gaining respect, I just hang around while it suits me and while I can offer something to someone who might need advice or sources.

Had I wanted to a states man, I would have had to be a mod, I tried that, wouldn't work out, but in light of all I've just said if some feels that I should be moderated or banned, go ahead. You have your rules, I've broken them enough, I probably deserve it.

Point of note..I have not been at the ****ing sherry,, as will automatically be assumed.

[fiannoglach]

Think he was also involved in teaching on the BA Cse that an Irish officers was attending and was invited over.

[knocker]

So as he is a subject matter expert , will he be down to return on the next course ?

[RoyalGreenJacket]

feck - send him back - to make all this bickering worthwhile!

[DeV]

it's the first semi-permanent post for a British Officer in the Free State in 87 years - so it was right to be posted in here in the first instance.

Its not a long course (8 days) and he has now returned.

There was a permanent Defence Attache in the embassy but the job is now done from London.

[rod and serpent]

A former British military Attache to the Republic also lectured in the Curragh.

[RoyalGreenJacket]

lol - someone is not happy lately eh?

hopefully it will pass once the Christmas 'period' is over?

anyhow, i am what i am, and sarcastic remarks about posting or recruiting or whatever the flavour of the day is will often be uttered from this callsign.

yes, i am keen for lads to join the British Army, just as others are keen for lads to join the Irish Army except the difference as fiannoglach rightly pointed out is - unfortunately you can't join the Irish DF. we have many other ways to recruit lads and this isn't one of them - all i offer is genuine advice on another opportunity. i'd rather see a lad in ANY legitimate army than be unhappy in a job he is stuck in.

anyhow back to the thread, i know other British Officers have lectured at the Curragh before - one of our CO's, from 2 Royal Green Jackets once travelled from Northern Ireland down to the Curragh (in full Combat 95 uniform in an armoured unmarked car) in the 90's however what's happening now is definitely a step in the right direction and it's the first semi-permanent post for a British Officer in the Free State in 87 years - so it was right to be posted in here in the first instance.

hope ya had a great christmas lads, chat later.

[turbocalves]

Q.E.D two posts later....,,

RGJs comments are nothing we haven't highlighted ourselves in other posts on threads..
Again the blinkers.

RGJ's comments were petty and unnecessary. They had nothing to do with the thread. If you wanna believe that it was some sort of in house humour that only you get thats your call. I see them for what they are and I have voiced an opinion on them- sure i was less than diplomatic, but this is how I am. I spoke my mind plainly without being equivocal, and without trying to misdirect what I wanted to say.

Unlike yourself who invented a fantasy about what my issue is. Further to this you made a claim about bigots on the board without any attempts to substantiate them.

I would ask you as somebody I respect, and as an elder statesman of the board. To say what you have to say without equivocating or misdirecting, I may not like it but I will respect your honesty.

[rod and serpent]

Other British Army officers have lectured at the Curragh over the years.

[fiannoglach]

Whats the big f*$^king deal?
So what if he recruits here?
Not as though young lads are going to get into this army anytime soon!