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  • #46
    Originally posted by Barry View Post
    The government directive is that you're in one or the other, not both. It is done illegally.
    that kind of blows the other lads opinions on this out of the water.

    anyhow - lets hope such a scenario is unlikely or Ireland would be in a very bad way.

    and well done to the lads (and ladies) in all those forces / agencies no matter which takes precedence!
    RGJ

    ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

    The Rifles

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    • #47
      To the best of my knowledge RDF cannot be deployed in ATCA/ATCP ops without a state of emergency being declared..open to correction though!
      That's not true. RDF < as volunteers> can be deployed in accordance with the DFRs/law at any time.

      RDF can only be < mobilized > if a state of emergency exists. i.e. you are ordered and HAVE to go. - i.e. leave civvy job, kids etc. and go.

      see para 87 onwards of http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1954/...018/index.html
      "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

      "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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      • #48
        Originally posted by trellheim View Post
        That's not true. RDF < as volunteers> can be deployed in accordance with the DFRs/law at any time.
        The big no-go area for RDF is overseas, though that's through omission (PDF serving overseas is specified) rather than being explicitly stated. Nothing to say that RDF can't shovel snow, other than the masters of the mandays in D Res and the Bde HQs.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Barry View Post
          Nothing to say that RDF can't shovel snow, other than the masters of the mandays in D Res and the Bde HQs.
          Its all a conspiracy, people volunteer to do things, then get told no, so they eventually get pissed off and leave and never to be replaced, all to get rid of the RDF.....................
          Don't stand there GAWPING, like you've never seen the hand of God BEFORE!!

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          • #50
            The Defence Acts say that only the Minister must make the direction to call out the RDF on permanent service or in ATCP.

            The Amended R5 states a GOC / FOCNS can direct the RDF can be employed in ATCA (with the reservists own consent (ie not called out by the Minister). It goes on to state that you must be paid if called out on permanent service/ATCP (fails to mention ATCA).

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Barry View Post
              It is done illegally.
              No it is not.

              It would have been pre-Towards 2000. Originally the Dept of Environment were meant to have taken control of the Civil Defence when they moved to Roscrea. That didn't happen, and the Civil Defence is now, while still a branch of the Dept of Defence, no longer a part of the Defence Forces i.e. we do not report to a military authority, but direct to the civilian government department.

              As for what should happen if the two organisations are called out, priority falls within the group that pays you. You cannot be compelled to duty with the Civil Defence if they are called out. You can with the RDF.

              Should both be called out, you go to your RDF unit.
              Last edited by Slacker; 10 January 2010, 17:53.
              If you have to do it, you always have to do it right. Either it makes a difference, or it’s good practice so that when it does make a difference, it gets done right.

              -Me.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
                good call Zulu - but can you only do one or the other - i.e. if you are RDF can you NOT join the Civil Defence etc?
                Actually you can. Being a member of the civil defence does not prohibit you from being a member of the defence force.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Slacker View Post
                  didn't happen, and the Civil Defence is now, while still a branch of the Dept of Defence, no longer a part of the Defence Forces i.e. we do not report to a military authority, but direct to the civilian government department.
                  Civil Defence was never a branch of the DF, it was always responsible to Government (since it inception) via DOD however.

                  A small number of PDF are assigned to the Civil Defence in a support/training role.

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                  • #54
                    I find this debate about the RDF only being used in national emergencies the most confusing piece of bigotry and politics combined.

                    I couldn't give a stuff about DFRs on this matter. It only takes any person with a degree of cop on to realise that there is in fact a national emergency going on at present. Likewise when the flooding situation occurred.

                    This freeze is a national emergency, and people have died as a result. Agriculture and infrastructure are threatened too as a result.
                    If there are people there who can be called upon to do their part,t hen get them out there. Many hands make light work in these situations.

                    Nothing to do with PDF and RDF being experienced or not. Teamwork is the key word there, and both sides are working towards the common goal here.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Jonesy View Post
                      I couldn't give a stuff about DFRs on this matter. It only takes any person with a degree of cop on to realise that there is in fact a national emergency going on at present. Likewise when the flooding situation occurred.
                      I agree but we can't just decide that we will put on our uniforms and go out and help either.

                      Sure we can't organise a field day training without sending a form to Bde HQ 30 days in advance, getting the approval of OC Bde RDF.



                      Capt O'Connor has taken over Comdt Young's DF facebook page, when asked if the RDF would be called up he replied:

                      No plans at the moment, we have 450 people on call in 17 Barracks around the country and we can increase that considerably and rapidly if needed.

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                      • #56
                        Well he is right. At the moment the numbers required of the DF does not neccesitate the calling up or requesting the services of reserves.

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                        • #57
                          Is the reason PDF top brass do not want the RDF to be seen to be effective in any
                          situation, because, someone in the Department of Finance might notice it and
                          use it to reduce the size of full time army numbers .?

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                          • #58
                            No, once again it's because the RDF are not needed, the PDF is not stretched. How many other ways do you want it to be put for you?
                            "Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied."

                            Otto Von Bismark

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                            • #59
                              Folks, If your in the RDF and want to help.

                              Throw on some warm clothes, Grab a shovel and brush and help out your neighbours, friends, family if you are in a position to do so.

                              Spent from 0600 - 0900 clearing snow off a friends family's hill so they could go to work in the hospital. Cleared 100m in an hour and then did a bit for outhers in the area.

                              No uniform needed. No section or pln formation needed. Just so service to your community.


                              And anyway there's only about 3000 RDF active around the country anyway.
                              "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

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                              • #60
                                Bollix. After we finished with the sections we did, if anyone slipped they'd be worthy of a darwin award for not knowing how to walk.

                                Friends and family. No bother.


                                Father stayed out last night giving lifts up a few hills for people leaving their cars at the bottom for this morning.

                                Many hands make light work
                                "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

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