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    Another idea floating exercise......

    Recently I've been reading a bit about Private Military Companies (PMCs) / Private Security Companies (PSCs); as I was pondering over how the industry has grown so quickly, particularly in hostile environments and disaster zones, a few things began to occur to me.
    • PMCs are thriving because the regular army are either under-resourced or tasked to higher priority missions
    • PMCs are often directly paid with government money
    • Demand for PMCs conducting security operations is high
    • The RDF has no realistic operational mandate
    • As long as the PDF is unionised, the RDF won't get a look in on any operational tasks that could otherwise be tasked to the PDF
    • The likelyhood of being required to be an ATCP is remote and there is little that the RDF can do that the PDF, CD and GR can't


    This is when I had a little light-bulb moment, and thought, why not stop the RDF from focusing on defence (where they're obviously not wanted or needed) and rebrand/reskill/retrain into more of a governmental armed security and logistics organisation based loosely on the PSC model!

    Imagine with me, if you will, the following:

    RDF rebranded to IRSF (Irish Reserve Security Force) (for example)

    Operational Responsibilities:
    • Provide and escort logistical convoys in hostile environments where the PDF operate (Either mlitary transport / or civilian)
    • Armed protection of national infrastructure in times of crisis or on operations abroad (securing power stations / water processing plants / APOD / SPOD etc)
    • Close protection duties for non-VIPs in hostile environments (e.g. engineers / journalists / aid workers / businessmen)
    • Overseas base camp static security (freeing up troops for missions)


    Keep the scope of works relatively narrow so as to concentrate the training into key areas.

    Without going into detail yet on how the initial reorg will happen and how suitable candidates for this new force will be selected, I'll just skip to the training.

    Training:
    Initially, consultants will need to be brought in, be they from An Garda Síochána / ARW / Military police / or PSCs. They should retrain the IRSF for the first 18 months before in house training begins.
    Training should consist of: (examples taken from HECPO course contents)
    • Threat and risk assessment
    • Situational vehicle recovery and extraction
    • Medical training
    • Situational awareness exercises
    • Dry anti-ambush drills - vehicle and foot
    • Personal security
    • Surveillance awareness
    • Convoy driving techniques
    • Contact Drills Individual & Team
    • Multi directional Multi threat contact drills
    • Fight Back & Fight Through movement drills
    • Cornering & fighting to cover
    • Night shooting & High stress shooting
    • Client Drills
    • Vehicle Drills
    • Extreme close quarter shooting
    • Immediate Action drills
    • Self assessment & Team building skills


    Training should also be given for control room staff / HGV drivers / and medics.

    N.B. By now, most of you are probably sitting there laughing, thinking of some of the useless feckers in your unit and saying to yourself "that'll never work, are you mad!?!"

    My thinking is that, in today's hostile environments, CP and convoy protection isn't the preserve of the ex-special forces or those with MP CPO courses under their belts. Increasely the operators of that calibre are training/mentoring those that do the work itself. So there's no reason a force of already firearms/tactics trained people can't be trained over time and deployed to perform these tasks (providing the right canditates have shown the prerequiste fitness levels and training proficiencies to standards set by the aforementioned consultants).

    Example of use overseas:

    Take Chad for example (perhaps even Haiti, if it were on the cards). The mission is to deliver aid to a village. PDF can advance forward, recce, and secure the village. The IRSF can take responsibility for delivering the aid. The PDF then move on once the aid arrives, freeing up troops to conduct other peacekeeping operations within the AO.

    Qualified IRSF troops can be paid near industry standard wages on short term deployments that won't overly compromise their civilian employment (i.e. €250 per day for an 8 week tour). Let's assume, being generous, it costs another €400 a day to provide that invidual with food, accommodation, ammo, fuel etc.
    Compared to around €1000 per day per man that a PSC could charge, the government/UN would be getting the job done a lot cheaper!


    Summary:
    The RDF is unnecessary in it's current form; there is an evergrowing demand on PSCs to fill in where many militaries can't.
    There is a resource pool within the RDF that has the potential to retrade and develop into a dedicated armed security role that compliments the efforts of the PDF, ensuring the government needn't consider approaching PSCs to perform security tasks as part of their operations.

    I look forward to your feedback, criticism and ridicule

  • #2
    I like it...............hell i love it but............ will we be finished at 1pm on Sundays tho?

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    • #3
      What time does the canner open at

      Seriously the only thing I can see happening in the near future is the RDF being disbanded and nothing replacing it.

      Its a nice idea SAS but never in a million years would it happen in this country.
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      • #4
        That be dangerous thinkin boy. fresh ideas are like cryptonite to our betters

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        • #5
          Originally posted by fred the red View Post
          Its a nice idea SAS but never in a million years would it happen in this country.
          Well I don't think it has happened in any country so far; but then again, other countries probably have operational taskings for all their reserve armed forces!

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          • #6
            Most RDF can't even do or get a grasp of the tactics of a section-in-attack and you want to train them in the above
            bunny shooter
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            Last edited by bunny shooter; 29 January 2010, 01:05.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by bunny shooter View Post
              Most RDF can't even do or get a grasp of the tactics of a section-in-attack and you want to train them in the above
              Both PDF and RDF recruits are both recruited from the same population. Are you saying people who join the RDF are somehow of a lower IQ of those joining the PDF??

              Obviously it's the people training that are at fault, not the people being trained.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by bunny shooter View Post
                Most RDF can't even do or get a grasp of the tactics of a section-in-attack and you want to train them in the above
                What has that got to do with anything?

                Firstly I have watched a number of PDF excercises where they mabe a balls of doing sec in attack. Then they practiced until their NCOs were happy they got it right. Thats what training is about.

                Secondly AFICS this has nothing to do with a Defence Force Reserve.
                It is an armed security company with some military training and structure.

                Thirdly I saw no where in the above suggestion of using these mercenaries for attacking anyone. Its all security work. The sort of thing that armed security guards do all around the world.

                In its own right it is not a bad suggestion. Supply the PDF with a lower trained security force to do the donkey work while the highly skilled soldier goes out to do the real job.
                Then again why not just employ "yellow pack" soldiers?
                Without supplies no army is brave.

                —Frederick the Great,

                Instructions to his Generals, 1747

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                • #9
                  Sorry Luchi, what are "yellow pack" soldiers?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bunny shooter View Post
                    Most RDF can't even do or get a grasp of the tactics of a section-in-attack and you want to train them in the above
                    PSCs in Iraq for example are training native Iraqis to perform these roles, with great success in some areas. More often than not, PSCs need only employ a small mentoring team and populate the rest of the PSD with locals, trained locally.

                    So with the right instruction, and the right candidates (bear in mind I didn't say this was for every member of the RDF, I'd be thinking that force will be cut down significantly) there's no reason that competent armed security teams can't be raised from the ashes of the RDF.

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                    • #11
                      As long as the PDF is unionised, the RDF won't get a look in on any operational tasks that could otherwise be tasked to the PDF
                      The likelyhood of being required to be an ATCP is remote and there is little that the RDF can do that the PDF, CD and GR can't

                      The only differene between Joe RDF and Joe PDF is
                      - training
                      - Commitent

                      because its full time Joe PDF is trained for longer and hence better trained- thats no reflection on Joe RDF

                      because its full time- Joe PDF can commit more of his time ( because its his job)
                      again thats no reflection on Joe RDF

                      Its good to see creative thinking- but you should walk before you run,

                      before you can diversify into the sexy stuff make sure your own troops are experts at the basics-

                      I hate to say it wont happen- but it wont happen.

                      the RDF is a place where PDF Officers go to bump up their pensions- thats not your fault.

                      As for the ATCP stuff- I would bet you my left teste that the majority of sane Soldiers

                      would love that shit to be handed lock stock and barrel to the RDF

                      that shit is mind numbingly horrible- after your second CIT you will be kicking yourself.

                      Your idea will no doubt be shot down for various reasons- but remember the beatles as an idea was shot down- so was Personal computers- and so was I first time I asked Mrs H ( the then Miss G ) out-
                      but I persisted with my dream and got her- now I am kicking myself
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
                        I hate to say it wont happen- but it wont happen.
                        I know it won't happen Hedge, this is just a "what if..." exercise. Moreover, this idea, if put into practice, would require time, effort, money and most frighteningly of all, organisational change. It'll never get off the ground.

                        I consider it more about evolving our existing armed forces to cater for future operational requirements, rather than play catch up when the need arises.

                        The only differene between Joe RDF and Joe PDF is
                        - training
                        - Commitent
                        Yes, but the RDF will never cover the same syllabus in the same depth as the PDF, and that will forever be the chink in the RDF's armour when it comes to trying to achieve it's goal of contributing to PDF operations.

                        By concentrating it's purpose on an area that is in demand with other militaries, Ireland stands to develop an organisation that not only could contribute to it's operations abroad but would also provide VFM against it's private sector counterparts.

                        This imagined revised model of the RDF will do away with Air defence, artillery, offensive tactics, perhaps even drill and cemeronial dutiess and concentrate solely on transportation and armed security. Thus making the best use of it's training time.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SwiftandSure View Post
                          Sorry Luchi, what are "yellow pack" soldiers?
                          A small history lesson of the PDF for you....

                          Once upon a time, recruits enlisted for 3 (?) years, then kept re-engaging until

                          (a) the individual reached 21 years service and decided to leave the PDF, pensionable
                          (b) stayed on beyond 21 years, maybe even up to retirement

                          Annual Fitness Tests were but a pipe dream at this stage

                          This had the effect of the average age of the Irish Army Pte being around the
                          30 years old mark, at one point

                          Then 1994 came along.....

                          New, 5 year limited contracts were introduced
                          Re-engagement on a further contract was dependent on several factors:

                          (the PDF lads here will correct me, if I get anything wrong, or leave anything out)

                          - newly introduced mandatory Annual Fitness Tests
                          - requirement to have a certain number of overseas trips clocked up in the 5 years
                          - conduct record
                          - having done a course beneficial to the PDF (e.g; cook, apprenticeship, etc) within
                          the term of the 5 year contract
                          - having completed a promotional course
                          - more stringent on medicals

                          This contract has evolved since, but at the outset, those on the old style enlistments
                          referred to these new young upstarts as "yellow packs" - this in reference to the
                          own brand products which the then Quinnsworth shopping chain sold in their stores
                          (Quinnsworth has since been bought out by Tesco in Ireland)

                          However, since:

                          - average age of a PDF Pte has plummetted - indeed, I' ve seen Sgts as young as
                          27-28 (historically could have been in late 30's before reaching this point in the PDF
                          in the past) and Ptes who in some cases, look like they have just left Primary School !

                          Ironically, the Reserve has always had the OPPOSITE problem, people enlisting straight
                          after school, which ensured a pool of relatively young Ptes in the FCA/RDF

                          Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
                          ....but remember the beatles as an idea was shot down- so was Personal computers- and so was I first time I asked Mrs H ( the then Miss G ) out-
                          but I persisted with my dream and got her- now I am kicking myself
                          Hope Mrs H is not able to get on this board....
                          Truck Driver
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                          • #14
                            Going by personal observations would it be correct in saying that sgts under the age of thirty are still something of a rarity representing lucky individuals over the merely dedicated and that the age profile still has some way to go?

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                            • #15
                              Thanks for the update TD.

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