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  • Army Overstretched

    Just doing the maths

    500 To Kosova
    400 To Liberia
    200 To Eritrea
    150 Various

    Thats 1250 troops. That is more than was deployed when UNIFIL was still in place.

    Now Bertie is talking about Iraq and don't forget the EURRF.

    Where are all the troops going to come from...The Reserve?

  • #2
    The 200 to Eritrea is finished and 150 to various seems excessive. Where did you get your figures?

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    • #3
      I'm not sure that many are going to Kosovo either, isn't it supposd to be a reinforced company that thye'll build up to bn strength if they can?
      I didn't think observers were counted as part of the mandated 850
      "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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      • #4
        Got my figures from Military.ie

        http://www.military.ie/overseas/mission_strengths.htm

        and

        http://www.military.ie/pr/03-09-03a.htm

        Can't argue with those!

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        • #5
          The Eritrea mission is definately finished anyway. I can't gain access to military.ie (damn websense) can anyone post the breakdown of the observer missions?

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          • #6
            Overseas Strengths -_01 June 2003

            UNITED NATIONS TROOP MISSIONS
            Maj Gen Brig Gen Col Lt Col Comdt Capt Lt Padre NCOS Ptes TOTAL
            UNIFIL HQ - - - 2 1 1 - - 3 - 7
            UNFICYP HQ - - - 1 - 1 - - 4 - 6
            UNMISET - - - 1 - 2 - - 1 - 4
            TOTAL 0 0 0 4 1 4 - - 8 - 17
            UNITED NATIONS OBSERVER MISSIONS
            Maj Gen Brig Gen Col Lt Col Comdt Capt Lt Padre NCOS Ptes TOTAL
            UNTSO 1 - - 2 7 4 - - - - 14
            UNNY - - 1 1* - - - - - - 2
            UNIKOM Suspended since 21 March 03.
            MINURSO - - - 1 1 2 - - - - 4
            UNMIK - - - 1 - - - - 2 - 3
            MONUC - - - - - 2 - - - - 2
            MINUCI -_ - - 1 1 2
            TOTAL 1 0 1 6 9 8 0 0 2 0 27
            EUROPEAN AND INTERNATIONAL MISSIONS
            Maj Gen Brig Gen Col Lt Col Comdt Capt Lt Padre NCOS Ptes TOTAL
            SFOR NSE - - - - - - - - 1 - 1
            SFOR Staff - - - 1 - - - - 12 - 13
            KFOR Coy - - - - 1 2 - 1 39 57 100
            KFOR NSE - - - - - 1 - - 1 2 4
            KFOR Staff - - - 2 - 1 - - 8 - 11
            KFOR Bde - - - 2 2 3 - - 14 10 31
            OSCE - - 3 3 4 2 - - - - 12
            EUMM - - 1 3 5 2 - - 3 - 14
            EUMS - 1 1 3 - - - - 1 - 6
            FYROM - - 1** - - - - - - - 1
            ISAF - - - 1 3 - - - 3 - 7
            ESDP/PfP - 1 3 2 1 - - - - - 7
            TOTAL 0 2 9 17 16 11 0 1 82 69 207
            Grand Total 1 2 10 27 26 23 0 1 92 69 251
            1* x Lt Col in UNNY seconded to DPKO.

            1** x Col MA to EUSR.

            1 x Col in OSCE (Vienna) seconded to DFA.

            1 x Brig Gen, 1 x Col & 1 x Lt Col in ESDP/PfP are also Mil Reps to EU.[list=1][/list=1]
            Maybe, just once, someone will call me "sir"
            without adding, "You're making a scene."

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            • #7
              OK - that looks a bit messy....but you can figure it out if you think about it - I'll see if I can get it to look a bit better...The figures a a few months old at this stage
              Maybe, just once, someone will call me "sir"
              without adding, "You're making a scene."

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              • #8
                This is docman's other link from military.ie:

                Press Release

                Review of 27th Infantry Group bound for Kosovo
                The Minister for Defence, Mr. Michael Smith T.D. and the acting Chief of Staff of the Defence Forces , Major General James Sreenan will review the 27th Infantry Group bound for service with Kosovo Force (KFOR) at a parade in Cathal Brugha Barracks, on Friday 5th September at 2.30 pm.

                The 250 strong contingent will be the first Defence Forces Infantry Group to serve in the KFOR mission and heralds a change to the composition of our peacekeeping forces in the Balkans. It is proposed that the size of the Defence Forces contribution to KFOR will eventually be in the region of 500 troops.

                The ceremonies will provide excellent photographic opportunities. Members of the media are invited to attend.

                Review of 27th Infantry Group

                Day/Date: Friday 5th September 2003.

                Location: Cathal Brugha Barracks, Rathmines, Dublin.

                Time: 2.15 pm
                Maybe, just once, someone will call me "sir"
                without adding, "You're making a scene."

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                • #9
                  The Eritrea mission may be finished but that doesn't stop our troops going there!
                  I don't believe in love - just friendship + sex

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                  • #10
                    UNSAS sets a figure of 850 troops for UN missions. This can include numbers on deployment, or ready for deployment. That's probably going to be the top end figure, unless the EURRF requires an independent commitment.
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                    With 50,000 men getting killed a week, who's going to miss a pigeon?

                    Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people.

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                    • #11
                      The Eritrea mission may be finished but that doesn't stop our troops going there!
                      What are they doing there?
                      "The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."

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                      • #12
                        Maybe to correct my original posting about the Eritrean mission being finished, I think the last one may still be there.

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                        • #13
                          Nope,home since june.Think Earhart is being facetious!:D Can't stop the lads going to see their quare one's can we?
                          Live long and prosper!

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                          • #14
                            Can't stop the lads going to see their quare one's can we?
                            No we can't, but Eritrea is a bit far to go for it.
                            "The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."

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                            • #15
                              Some lads will do anything for a ride - even fly 3,000Km's!!
                              Live long and prosper!

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