Differences Between Long and Short Back Issue Bergen (old Style)

[DeV]

I'm refering to the ability to pick up a handset and contact another set a up to 300 metres away after it has been set up etc.

[Goldie fish]

This is a very good point, signals training is too much "push this exact sequence of buttons and hope it works", with no understanding or problem solving ability taught. That said, there are times when a radio will just not work no matter what you do.

There is also an attitude "don't touch it in case you break it", meaning pbi are not encouraged to get used to handling it, when it is in their vicinity. And if it does break, you have to deal with a crank from cis who is ranting because somebody took "his" PBRs and didn't charge the batteries before returning them.

[Barry]

I think it's a case of the (non CIS) operators not having a bulls-notion what they're at with the SINCGARS. It's too complicated for PBIs to use.

This is a very good point, signals training is too much "push this exact sequence of buttons and hope it works", with no understanding or problem solving ability taught. That said, there are times when a radio will just not work no matter what you do.

[ZULU]

I think it's a case of the (non CIS) operators not having a bulls-notion what they're at with the SINCGARS. It's too complicated for PBIs to use.

If there was more training on it, it might be different. It goes for the PDF as well.

[DeV]

It's a concrete block with wires and aerials coming out of it that is given to you on a POT NCO course to carry when your mouth is too big.

It serves no tactical purpose.
It is cleverly disguised to look and sound like a radio, but communication between 2 sets is impossible, unless you shout loud enough down the "handset" that the recieving station can hear you shout.

Ah now, thats a bit harsh.
The radios themselves were fairly bomb-proof. It was just that most of the handsets were knackered.
The solution was to get rid of the radios but hang on to the knackered handsets!

The other problem what that the NiCd batteries were well beyond their best before date. You would have thought that the powers that be would have also learned from that lesson and bought Lithium batteries this time around. I'm afraid that the penny pinchers also won that battle though.

Having used 77 sets and SINCGARS a few times, the 77 set was a lot more dependable!

[apod]

well done Apod a mine of information. You are a genius on military equipemnt matters , Do U work in the stores, sorry operational info. Mea Culpa

Mind your own Business troll.

[trellheim]

Excuse me I said 77 set pouch first.

[BANDIT]

well done Apod a mine of information. You are a genius on military equipemnt matters , Do U work in the stores, sorry operational info. Mea Culpa

[RoyalGreenJacket]

one is longer than the other.

i was bored, sorry.

[apod]

The pouch inside the main body of the Irish issue PLCE bergen was made for the 77 set.OG British surplus ones dont have this pouch nor do they have the chest strap .Also the lid pocket on a surplus BA Bergen opens from the side not the rear.Thats how you can tell em apart.Full size Sincgars come with a bastardized OG ALICE pack modified to take rocket pouches with pockets for two spare Batteries on the front.A c**t to carry on a patrol as you have to carry the metal frame aswell.Good mate of mine got his neck rearranged due to one of those packs when getting into the kneeling position fast.
The baby Sincgars comes with an OG Protac Patrol pack.Rarely used by us regulars anymore as the IPLCS Patrol pack has a built in pouch to take a baby set.

[RoyalGreenJacket]

Hi Guys

I was wondering the differences between the Long and Short back PCLE Bergens...?

one is longer than the other.

[Connaught Stranger]

One of the types of radio set used by the DF in the pre Sincgars.

Here is is

ANPRC 77 (Army / Navy Portable Radio Communications Model 77)

known as the PRICK (PRC) for short, served the Americans in Vietnam and then the Irish got it, thought to have been 100% "soldier-proof" the Irish proved otherwise,

(picture in the minds eye back in 1977 of Private Gerry Suffin from Boyle, lying on a Border road like an upside-down turtle after falling from the back of a moving Landrover G.S. after cocking-up the the "mount-up" procedure, calling "come baaaaaaaack! come baaaaaaaaack!! as the F.F.R. and G.S. melted into the distance.

Connaught Stranger.

[trellheim]

the PLCE rucksack n far predates the SINCGAR

[paul]

I taught it was for the baby sincgar? But the last time I seen one was 5 years ago so I'm not too sure.

[Celtic-Warrior]

Just looked at the pouch and it looks as though the 77 would be a perfect fit! Question Answered

Thanks Lads

CW