Usual kit difficulties RDF 2010 [ threadsplit ]

[trellheim]

wonder if theres any likelihood of the RDF getting any of the kit mentioned above (helmet, CEFO, vests, whatever). Anyone know?

Certainly. The PDF completely ignore the regulation mandating issue of such items to those RDF members entitled to them.

[Buck]

Certainly. The PDF completely ignore the regulation mandating issue of such items to those RDF members entitled to them.

but are the RDF entitled to the same kit, i.e the new type battle vest, helmet, etc etc? I'm not sure, but I'm definitely open for correction.

[CS Gass]

Certainly. The PDF completely ignore the regulation mandating issue of such items to those RDF members entitled to them.

entitled? but the RDF doesnt need that stuff, the current stuff is absolutely fine, the money needed to buy all that expensive kit would be much more wisely spent elsewhere. The RDF gets the kit it needs its just many members dont see a distinction between kit thats adequate for their needs or is likely to get used and kit thats the exact same as the regs.

[Vamp369]

entitled? but the RDF doesnt need that stuff, the current stuff is absolutely fine, the money needed to buy all that expensive kit would be much more wisely spent elsewhere. The RDF gets the kit it needs its just many members dont see a distinction between kit thats adequate for their needs or is likely to get used and kit thats the exact same as the regs.

I agree but the kit that, well my unit has, most times the clips are broke, missing, straps torn so can't be used, or just not there, helmets missing covers, missing the head strap, pouches missing, pouch ring connector thingys broke or missing etc etc.
And then when you do get issued it, spend a while swapping bits to get a half decent kit, then you have to break it down and hand it back in and go through the trouble and time wasting of putting it together again next time.

I believe those that have a good attendance record, those who will stay with the unit should get issued a backpack( or bergen, whatever one doesn't make people rant dont call it that, call it this) with a decent set of webbing and sleeping system, hell even eating irons and mess tin so when they arrive in for a weekend of tactics, they are ready to hit the ground as soon as they step in the gate, no screwing around handing kit out and then taking it back again.

[CS Gass]

I agree but the kit that, well my unit has, most times the clips are broke, missing, straps torn so can't be used, or just not there, helmets missing covers, missing the head strap, pouches missing, pouch ring connector thingys broke or missing etc etc.
And then when you do get issued it, spend a while swapping bits to get a half decent kit, then you have to break it down and hand it back in and go through the trouble and time wasting of putting it together again next time.

I believe those that have a good attendance record, those who will stay with the unit should get issued a backpack( or bergen, whatever one doesn't make people rant dont call it that, call it this) with a decent set of webbing and sleeping system, hell even eating irons and mess tin so when they arrive in for a weekend of tactics, they are ready to hit the ground as soon as they step in the gate, no screwing around handing kit out and then taking it back again.

Yeah the condition of kit sometimes leaves a lot to be desired, but is the ex PDF stuff that has been replaced by the new gucci stuff not started to trickle down? Once that stuff is available it should be issued out so repair work can be undertaken at the members expense. Helmet covers and a mix of webbing systems is disgraceful no two ways about it but its nonetheless a problem that can be solved with current stocks.

[Vamp369]

Yeah the condition of kit sometimes leaves a lot to be desired, but is the ex PDF stuff that has been replaced by the new gucci stuff not started to trickle down? Once that stuff is available it should be issued out so repair work can be undertaken at the members expense. Helmet covers and a mix of webbing systems is disgraceful no two ways about it but its nonetheless a problem that can be solved with current stocks.

It should but it doesn't. It probably will but its taking its time. The problem I believe is, those who make the decisions, as Im sure you know too well yourself, aren't the ones using the kit, so are in no rush to get it for the rest for the troops who will be getting down and dirty with it.
Or maybe those who have it are in no rush to ship it out.

[CS Gass]

Aye well thats the frustrating roundabout where practically every problem with the reserve comes back to certain members. If PLCE is sitting idle somewhere, units should start practicing dragging wounded comrades to safety, that drill burns through sets of 58 patt like no ones business, when Coys haven't even enough scraps to make up webbing to equip an FSG the brass will have to allow the newer stuff be dusted off.

[apod]

Certainly. The PDF completely ignore the regulation mandating issue of such items to those RDF members entitled to them.

Eh,no.Not really.The only RDF who were "entitled" to IPLCS were the Integrated lads.Thats finished for now.So who are you refereing to??

Yeah the condition of kit sometimes leaves a lot to be desired, but is the ex PDF stuff that has been replaced by the new gucci stuff not started to trickle down? Once that stuff is available it should be issued out so repair work can be undertaken at the members expense. Helmet covers and a mix of webbing systems is disgraceful no two ways about it but its nonetheless a problem that can be solved with current stocks.

ALL the PLCE stock is ex-PDF.What Gucci kit are you referring to??

[trellheim]

.The only RDF who were "entitled" to IPLCS were the Integrated lads.

1. No time limit on the reg. Integrated doesn't have a time component. No posting to parent unit, it's a course-ish but the experiment is concluded according to the MOD.

2. Even given (1) above, no member of the RDF was ever issued IPLCS on a permanent basis (AFAIK ) , even though the reg governing IPLCS issued well before Integration.

And before people start banging on about upkeep, care and maintenance, remember we are/were the integrated; we're not going to wander off.

[trellheim]

Going off topic I know a bit

[Archimedes]

2. Even given (1) above, no member of the RDF was ever issued IPLCS on a permanent basis (AFAIK ) , even though the reg governing IPLCS issued well before Integration.

I know of one pdf unit who I believe genuinely tried to isuue IPLCS during integration.
They hit a hiccup when the PMS system would only accept pdf service numbers for the issue of IPLCS.
That was no willingness to sort that at a higher level so it never happened.

With small numbers doing a lot of training side by side with the pdf, it made sense to have everyone kitted out the same.

[trellheim]

PMS system would only accept pdf service numbers

But it accepted] my number well enough for a spare pair of trousers last week. ( IMS perhaps, not the PMS ) . There are also a couple of people with the IT knowledge in the RDF to make that problem go away.

[Barry]

But it accepted] my number well enough for a spare pair of trousers last week. ( IMS perhaps, not the PMS ) . There are also a couple of people with the IT knowledge in the RDF to make that problem go away.

Your number isn't 7 digits. PMS is designed to only accept 6 digit numbers.

As for the idea of RDF "fixing" the system - would a civvie company allow what is essentially a casual worker to have access to the internal workings of their computer systems?

[trellheim]

My trousers [ if you want to keep that example ] are on issue to me. my number shows up on the voucher. What's your point ?

[spaceghetti]

I agree but the kit that, well my unit has, most times the clips are broke, missing, straps torn so can't be used, or just not there, helmets missing covers, missing the head strap, pouches missing, pouch ring connector thingys broke or missing etc etc.
And then when you do get issued it, spend a while swapping bits to get a half decent kit, then you have to break it down and hand it back in and go through the trouble and time wasting of putting it together again next time.

I believe those that have a good attendance record, those who will stay with the unit should get issued a backpack( or bergen, whatever one doesn't make people rant dont call it that, call it this) with a decent set of webbing and sleeping system, hell even eating irons and mess tin so when they arrive in for a weekend of tactics, they are ready to hit the ground as soon as they step in the gate, no screwing around handing kit out and then taking it back again.

Yeah the condition of kit sometimes leaves a lot to be desired, but is the ex PDF stuff that has been replaced by the new gucci stuff not started to trickle down? Once that stuff is available it should be issued out so repair work can be undertaken at the members expense. Helmet covers and a mix of webbing systems is disgraceful no two ways about it but its nonetheless a problem that can be solved with current stocks.

It should but it doesn't. It probably will but its taking its time. The problem I believe is, those who make the decisions, as Im sure you know too well yourself, aren't the ones using the kit, so are in no rush to get it for the rest for the troops who will be getting down and dirty with it.
Or maybe those who have it are in no rush to ship it out.

Aye well thats the frustrating roundabout where practically every problem with the reserve comes back to certain members. If PLCE is sitting idle somewhere, units should start practicing dragging wounded comrades to safety, that drill burns through sets of 58 patt like no ones business, when Coys haven't even enough scraps to make up webbing to equip an FSG the brass will have to allow the newer stuff be dusted off.

Wait. Are ye talking about 58pattern being replaced or PLCE being replaced?

Because we have all PLCE in our unit and we have the exact same problems as what Vamp369 first said there. The belt buckles on nearly all our sets of PLCE are split in half, and temporarily fixed with black tape, it's holding at the moment. We've barely any pouches, and those we do have are torn, clips are broken, belt connections are broken, etc.

So what are ye getting at??