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"The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"
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so what did you see there to criticise?
The troops were told to leave packs. That was an order. Since I didn't see the actual opord I can't say if it was there but regardless if that is what they were told to do then that is what they had to do. You can't say it was a bad drill on the part of the lads on the ground.
My point was however that for you guys, with your training and experience you are so far past this stage in more ways than one.
that is why I say it is your bread and butter. With the exception of those that got the extra training doing intergration IMHO the best of the troops have little more experience than a PDF recruit.
Point taken.
So if the PDF are not there to assist they should not have been there in the first place.
Yes but i bet the critisim was pitched at you level. so you improved in steps.
now how can you say that after saying this
if the cadre give no help or as this suggests poor quality hepl where does that leave us?
Originally posted by hptmurphy View Posthttp://www.flickr.com/photos/dfmagaz...7625007342531/
Whats wrong with this picture?
RDF Assessement Training Ex in Glen of Imal including avisit to troops by Maj Gen Ralph James DCOS ops
This gets on my tits...cammied up to the bollocks and snow white hands. very evident across the board.
Thankfully some elses is as pedantic as I am...
Originally posted by In my opinion View PostTotally unfair to highlight a person who is ranked and named on their uniform. That person was fully involved in the weekend unlike some of those throwing out critism here.
Last March a member of the 58 bn was bad mouthed here by fools who decided that he was not turned out up to scratch in New York and that thread had to be locked.
Stop attacking the person especially when he is named and pictured.
Well done all who took part and I hope to see you all again next year
It is nothing personal at all.
Now.I was one of those who criticised the turnout of that individual with the santa claus beard who marched in NY.MY opinion stll stands.He should have been clean shaven in accordance with Admin Instruction A9 which applies to both PDF and RDF unless medically excused.I also blamed his chain of command for allowing it.When in uniform in public you represent the DF and the country if overseas .Standards are there for a reason.We cant pick and choose which ones we follow.So are you still calling me a fool??"Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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"The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"
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no night vision
Seriously how did we manage in the past when we had absolutely no NVG..good light discipline.
security fallowing recce patrols with lights on
55 rounds per soldier at startCovid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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"The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"
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I love the yellow smoke ones..very effective....pity the forces using can't see **** all.
Is the guy in the second last shot 'enemy dead'...Alwsy wondered why they don't use dissimal uniforms ...absolute bastrad when the enemy turns out to be your own and you didn't recognise him as he was cammied up.
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So are you still calling me a fool??
Get over yourself lol..its me they're having a go at, don't flatter yourself. Your opinions count.I'm just an ex navy ex bagger who is always wrong and everyone loves to have a pop at..and I have ginger kids!
Last edited by hptmurphy; 14 October 2010, 11:54.Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Safety first.
If there is a real safety alert IE a no duff scenario then white light goes on and the staff/Security take over.Thats the only time it should happen.
All of this is enshrined in most units SOPS especially the BTCs."Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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Originally posted by Muzzle View PostAny truth to the rumors that assessors were getting involved in correcting individuals mid attack? Are they they there to instruct or assess or both?"The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"
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I love the yellow smoke ones..very effective....pity the forces using can't see **** all.
Is the guy in the second last shot 'enemy dead'...Alwsy wondered why they don't use dissimal uniforms ...absolute bastrad when the enemy turns out to be your own and you didn't recognise him as he was cammied up.
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as per posted by apod
Get over yourself lol..its me they're having a go at, don't flatter yourself. Your opinions count.I'm just an ex navy ex bagger who is always wrong and everyone loves to have a pop at..and I have ginger kids!"Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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The pointing out of poor standards here is never meant as a personal attack on anybody but is an attempt to stop those mistakes from reoccuring.Pity some here cant accept that
Its no longer acceptable on IMO to highlight what is blatantly wrong without incurring wrath.
Plenty of truth in that.
Obviously the Assessors brief wasn't specific enough or was just ignore. Again unit commanders hould attend this briefing to ascertain what the exact roles of the people on the side lines is.
Regarding the Lights on in the shadow vehicle,the safety was from a drivers point of view, the question should be asked was their a requirement to have a security element shadow an exercise, Surely a moble cordon of the exercise area would have done the same job had the requirement been assessed properly.
The assessors should only interefere where ther is a blatant safety issue. Other wise back off.Last edited by hptmurphy; 14 October 2010, 12:28.Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Originally posted by apod View PostNo.DS staff or security should never compromise exercise troops positions
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Its no longer acceptable on IMO to highlight what is blatantly wrong without incurring wrath
The Assessments are just that; see what the lie of the land is.
It is NOT training, if it's wrong its wrong the time to fix that is on the earlier exercises or on the end of the recruit Mod 2 or 3* Tac training
Expecting the Internet not to bitch and moan and not be hyper-pedantic, and getting worried about it, is like farting into a hurricane. Take the good and ignore the bad."Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "
"No, they're trying to fly the tank"
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