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  • RDF Allowance to be scrapped.

    We now hear that Cadre are to loose the RDF allowance at end of the month. Is this good or bad for the RDF.

    My tea leaves tell me we will have alot of cadre going on their ticket.

  • #2
    Most cadre are in the process of retiring anyway, so it will make no odds.


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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    • #3
      We have a nice few in the West who were not going!

      They will now I think

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      • #4
        http://pdforra.ie/news/?p=527

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        • #5
          That IS interesting

          Cadre staff in rural, non permanent posts were getting almost double the
          amount of RDF Allowance their counterparts in manned posts were getting,
          as far as I can remember

          But would the loss of this allowance be sufficient to spark off an exodus ?

          It's not like the country is flush with jobs in civvy street at the moment,
          even allowing for the fact that most of these bods would probably be > 21 yrs
          merchants...
          Last edited by Truck Driver; 18 January 2011, 04:13.
          "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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          • #6
            Well haven't they been trying for years to reduce cadre?

            One more straw maybe??
            Without supplies no army is brave.

            —Frederick the Great,

            Instructions to his Generals, 1747

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            • #7
              No, what is happening is they are taxing Cadre RDF allowance same as RDF pay i.e. into PAYE instead of self declaration by the looks of it.

              Somebody in revenue trying to make a name for themselves; I mean with all the crap that went on why on earth would somebody bother with this end of the PS - is this really what you want Revenue doing instead of chasing the HVTs in the property and fin sectors ?
              "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

              "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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              • #8
                Pay for Play !

                Hi Treill,

                Not the way I read it :

                "In this regard, it proposes to discontinue the payment of RDF Allowance and to make provision for the allowance by way of subsistence claims submitted in accordance with Civil Service travel and subsistence scheme"

                So, as TD says, there is a difference in the journeys and allowance paid for different posts. This new proposal creates an equal footing, and is subsistence based, which requires accountability on approval of the subsistence claims !

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                • #9
                  Ah. correct in that regard, however
                  instructed that RDF Allowance would be subject to income tax deductions from a date in early 2008
                  was what happened to us re RDF pay.

                  I went looking for this lo these many years ago and found it in the Dail debates about RDF pay. I suppose what bothers me is Revenue acting the mickey in removing these historical precedents without referring to them publicly, it is similar to a right-of-way being removed without consultation I think.
                  "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                  "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
                    That IS interesting

                    Cadre staff in rural, non permanent posts were getting almost double the
                    amount of RDF Allowance their counterparts in manned posts were getting,
                    as far as I can remember

                    But would the loss of this allowance be sufficient to spark off an exodus ?

                    It's not like the country is flush with jobs in civvy street at the moment,
                    even allowing for the fact that most of these bods would probably be > 21 yrs
                    merchants...
                    There is reasons for it, for example if you were SLI / more travel / more travel for duties etc.

                    Many would be.

                    Originally posted by luchi View Post
                    Well haven't they been trying for years to reduce cadre?

                    One more straw maybe??
                    In the East they have but there are a lot of people in the other bdes that are subnummary.

                    Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                    No, what is happening is they are taxing Cadre RDF allowance same as RDF pay i.e. into PAYE instead of self declaration by the looks of it.

                    Somebody in revenue trying to make a name for themselves; I mean with all the crap that went on why on earth would somebody bother with this end of the PS - is this really what you want Revenue doing instead of chasing the HVTs in the property and fin sectors ?
                    Originally posted by ltsmarty View Post
                    Hi Treill,

                    Not the way I read it :

                    "In this regard, it proposes to discontinue the payment of RDF Allowance and to make provision for the allowance by way of subsistence claims submitted in accordance with Civil Service travel and subsistence scheme"

                    So, as TD says, there is a difference in the journeys and allowance paid for different posts. This new proposal creates an equal footing, and is subsistence based, which requires accountability on approval of the subsistence claims !
                    RDF allowance must have been looked at by Revenue as subsistence (ie tax free) and now they have realised they would be unvouched expenses and possibly taxable. Question is will they go back 7 years!?

                    RDF allowance is to be scrapped and replaced by subsistence (I presume the existing AF180 ( off the top of my head)).

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
                      That IS interesting

                      But would the loss of this allowance be sufficient to spark off an exodus ?

                      It's not like the country is flush with jobs in civvy street at the moment,
                      even allowing for the fact that most of these bods would probably be > 21 yrs
                      merchants...
                      TD I think so. The Reserve is no longer appealing therefore fellas will either retire or go back to their mother unit. I predict Cead Cath,6 Bn and 28th Bn will be getting a number of their NCOs and privates back from reserve units here in the west.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                        No, what is happening is they are taxing Cadre RDF allowance same as RDF pay i.e. into PAYE instead of self declaration by the looks of it.

                        Somebody in revenue trying to make a name for themselves; I mean with all the crap that went on why on earth would somebody bother with this end of the PS - is this really what you want Revenue doing instead of chasing the HVTs in the property and fin sectors ?
                        I can assure you revenue have nothing to do with it, and your accusations are unfounded.


                        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                        • #13
                          Ok so, why then the RDF pay changes, and now the RDF Cadre changes ? Who punted for this ?
                          "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                          "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                          • #14
                            What RDF pay Changes?


                            Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                            • #15
                              The ones three or four years ago when the RDF moved to PAYE on its pay.
                              "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                              "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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