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    http://www.independent.ie/national-n...s-2586389.html

    The Defence Forces is to train American and British bomb disposal teams to deal with the threat from Taliban booby traps in Afghanistan.

    And teams from other countries are arriving here in the coming months to learn techniques from the Army's Ordnance Corps, which is seen as having the most experienced and professional bomb disposal skills in the world.

    US President Barack Obama made reference to Ireland's small but significant input into the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan. The Defence Forces keeps a team of seven ordnance officers at the ISAF headquarters in Kabul where they analyse the developing threat from booby trap bombs, known as improvised explosive devices (IEDs).

    There are seven Irish Army experts in Kabul along with six gardai who are helping to train the Afghan National Police.

    The ISAF counter-IED programme was largely developed by Irish ordnance officers who have had continuous experience in dealing with improvised bombs throughout the Troubles in the North as well as in Lebanon.

    Many of the techniques used by the Taliban and before that the insurgents in Iraq are directly evolved from IRA bomb makers who shared their techniques with the Hezbollah in Lebanon who, in turn, passed them on to their masters in Iran.

    The Iranians are known to have passed on much of the technology of improvised bombs and their use to the Taliban.

    In his address on St Patrick's Day, President Obama made the first public reference by any foreign leaders to Ireland's input in the Nato-led operation in Afghanistan as well as allowing the use of Shannon Airport for US military aircraft.

    He said: "Ireland obviously plays an important role in the world. We want to thank you for the operations at Shannon that are so vital for us moving our troops into Afghanistan. It is a testimony to Ireland's friendship to us. In addition, Ireland actually has trainers in Afghanistan that have provided us with great assistance. And I expressed my appreciation for those sacrifices. We've worked together on issues like international food security, and we will continue to work on those issues as well."

    The Department of Foreign Affairs confirmed last week that Ireland has provided €22m since 2005 in aid "to support humanitarian and reconstruction needs in Afghanistan and has committed a further €20m of funding for development-related activity until the end of 2012".

    The department said it expects to maintain our seven military personnel deployed with the ISAF "for the foreseeable future".

    It added: "We are also supporting the EU civilian police mission in its efforts to train the Afghan National Police and promote peace and security in a society based on the rule of law.

    "There are six members of An Garda Siochana and two senior rule of law experts, the latter contracted by the Department of Foreign Affairs, currently serving with the mission."

    As well as the Defence Forces and garda members in Afghanistan, there are almost 2,000 soldiers from the Irish Guards and Royal Irish Regiment of the British Army currently serving in Afghanistan, including many from the Republic and Northern Ireland

  • #2
    This is a joke, right?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Craghopper View Post
      http://www.independent.ie/national-n...s-2586389.html

      The Defence Forces is to train American and British bomb disposal teams to deal with the threat from Taliban booby traps in Afghanistan.
      Laugh , I nearly wet myself.



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      • #4
        Wait til the UK Armed Forces head cheerleader reads that !!!! He ll have a stroke and then make a comment or ten
        Anyone need a spleen ?

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        • #5
          I'd be more interested to see what happens with Sinn Fein and the Looney Left Alliance go mad about this in the Dail...
          What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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          • #6
            We have trained EOD/IEDD operators and route clearance personnel from all over the world

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            • #7
              im betting...........23 pages?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DeV View Post
                We have trained EOD/IEDD operators and route clearance personnel from all over the world
                That may be the case, but we now have the likes of Richard Boyd Barrett and his lot sitting in the Dail. I'd be surprised if they keep quiet on this one.
                What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                • #9
                  Fair do's. Nobody has a monopoly on knowledge, I'm sure that the Irish team would not be doing this if they didn't know their stuff and have something to offer.

                  Hopefully the governing party (as opposed to the loony fringe on the opposition benches - operative word being "opposition" (and loony)) will realise that this sort of involvement is of benefit to Ireland's image, and encourage it.
                  Last edited by Flamingo; 20 March 2011, 19:48.
                  'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                  'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                  Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                  He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                  http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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                  • #10
                    Why would anyone on this forum [ the clue is in the forum name] be laughing at this ?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by terrier View Post
                      Why would anyone on this forum [ the clue is in the forum name] be laughing at this ?
                      rod and serpent was the only one who said he was laughing, and he's BA not DF, but i don't know about jaeger.

                      So what are you getting at?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Craghopper View Post
                        the Army's Ordnance Corps, which is seen as having the most experienced and professional bomb disposal skills in the world.
                        i say well done lads and get stuck in however saying the Irish AOC "have the most experienced and professional bomb disposal skills in the world" is a wishful thinking (lets be realistic lads). i guess the reporter did caveat this with "seen to have", but we have ATO's who clear more IED's in a day than the Irish DF do in a year and we have been in high intensity combats operations for decades where our soldiers are the target - unlike anything the Irish DF have ever encountered.

                        devices in the Republic were few and far between and in most cases very different to those we encountered in Northern Ireland. the Irish DF did not conduct ATO / Disposal operations on a scale that we and other nations did in Bosnia or Kosovo and they were non-existant in Iraq where the IED came of age, particularly with the influence of shaped charges from Iran.

                        the Irish DF have no experience on the ground in Afghanistan which is where it matters most, however that said - they obviously have a wealth of technical knowledge gained from our C-IED teams and those of other nations out on the ground which is passed onto the specialists in Kabul and that is where the Irish DF have obviously found their niche.

                        the Irish DF are lacking experience on the coalface but they have a wealth of experience on the technical end of the spectrum - this is great and i welcome any opportunity to pass on detailed information to NATO forces that will no dount save lives, so well done to the Irish DF and long may this continue.
                        RGJ

                        ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

                        The Rifles

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                        • #13
                          Ah RGJ, Long before yee were in Iraq and Afghanistan Irish EOD teams were clearing routes in South Lebanon from IED's/ RSB's, ..made by Hezbulloh which were in turn were trained by the IRA...
                          Last edited by Craghopper; 20 March 2011, 21:06.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Craghopper View Post
                            Ah RGJ, Long before yee were in Iraq and Afghanistan Irish EOD teams were clearing routes in South Lebanon from IED's/ RSB's, ..made by Hezbulloh which were in turn were trained by the IRA...
                            and meanwhile we were bearing the wrath of the IRA at home in a greater intensity first hand. so that's that one covered. we were also in the Falklands at the same time where crude devices and boobytraps were used against British Forces.

                            the Irish DF may have had a good presence on the coalface many years ago but they have no credible experience on the ground now where some of the initiation systems have never been encountered anywhere else before.

                            but as i said the Irish DF probably have great oversight of everything coalition forces on the ground are encountering now and it's great that they will be passing on this knowledge.
                            RGJ

                            ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

                            The Rifles

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                            • #15
                              Here we go again!!

                              The key to combating IEDs is intelligence because without knowing how they work the operator can't try and disarm them. What country provides the head of C-IED int with ISAF?

                              Irish soldiers were specifically targeted in Lebanon with IEDs.

                              Where were most of the IEDs encountered in NI made? South of the border - you can tell more about an IED if found intact.

                              Not sure about Bosnia but there was an Irish EOD team with KFOR

                              Shaped charges took a while to reach Iraq, where did the knowledge come from? The IRA (they used them first!).

                              The DF have plenty of experience at the coalface!

                              some of the initiation systems have never been encountered anywhere else before.
                              Such as?




                              Here a question if the US & UK are so good at it why are they coming here?

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