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    I can recall that happening back in 1994, when the first "yellow pack" contracts
    came into being (not belittling here, this phrase came from the serving PDF at the
    time, unless I am sorely mistaken).
    That nickname actually originated in the GS.When the first of the new type student guards went out on phase two training they wore yellow epaullettes.Hence they were christened "yellow packs".How the Post 94's got labeled this i dont know.Perhaps Hedgie can enlighten us?
    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

  • #2
    One of the major supermarkets at the time was making a big deal of selling non branded generic items

    cheaply with just yellow labels and termed "yellow pack"

    think of tesco's own brand and you get the idea.

    The post 94's were brought in on a much different contract and if I recall it right

    they came to be termed as yellow packs, you know yourself in the Defence Forces there are about

    9,000 people just waiting at any one time to pounce with a nickname.

    Most of the serving yellow packs /94 intake I know are in senior positions within the Defence Forces

    that lot were a good intake and they are memorable for the fact that the men and non men trained

    together.
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by apod View Post
      That nickname actually originated in the GS.When the first of the new type student guards went out on phase two training they wore yellow epaullettes.Hence they were christened "yellow packs".How the Post 94's got labeled this i dont know.Perhaps Hedgie can enlighten us?
      They were beige, and made from old army Uniform shirts until 1995, when they became blue.
      Yellow Pack refers to anything cheap, but similar to a more expensive brand. It comes from Discount stock sold by Quinnsworth. Their Crispy Rice may look the same as Rice Crispies, but it didn't taste the same.


      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
        They were beige, and made from old army Uniform shirts until 1995, when they became blue.
        Yellow Pack refers to anything cheap, but similar to a more expensive brand. It comes from Discount stock sold by Quinnsworth. Their Crispy Rice may look the same as Rice Crispies, but it didn't taste the same.
        From memory it was a pdforra quote about the dod getting a cheaper version of the real thing or similar.

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        • #5
          I dont know about the Gardai being called yellow packs but the Fish would have that knowledge and as such I would believe him,

          I also agree with Dahamster as far as I remember PDFORRA used it to describe the newer 94 intake and thier different contract terms.
          Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
          Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
          The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
          The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
          The best lack all conviction, while the worst
          Are full of passionate intensity.

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          • #6
            As a Yellowpacker from the 94 intake i always took it to be a reference to a remark by PDFORRA about cheap soldiers and the 5 year contract. They were initially unhappy with the idea of 5 year soldiers coming in and upsetting things. AFAIK we were not allowed join the association too but that was changed pretty quickly .
            Anyone need a spleen ?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ollie View Post
              As a Yellowpacker from the 94 intake i always took it to be a reference to a remark by PDFORRA about cheap soldiers and the 5 year contract. They were initially unhappy with the idea of 5 year soldiers coming in and upsetting things. AFAIK we were not allowed join the association too but that was changed pretty quickly .
              PDFORRA were not upset at the fact post'94 soldiers were coming on stream, they wanted the new members to serve under the same conditions as those already in the DF, rather than the much more restrictive contracts being introduced.

              As for stopping guys from joining PDFORRA, well I don't believe that to be true, unless you have something to back it up?
              CRIME SCENE INSTIGATOR

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              • #8
                Originally posted by REX View Post
                As for stopping guys from joining PDFORRA, well I don't believe that to be true, unless you have something to back it up?
                Go easy rex, he said AFAIK, which I presume means thats what he remembers from back then.


                Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ollie View Post
                  As a Yellowpacker from the 94 intake i always took it to be a reference to a remark by PDFORRA about cheap soldiers and the 5 year contract. They were initially unhappy with the idea of 5 year soldiers coming in and upsetting things. AFAIK we were not allowed join the association too but that was changed pretty quickly .
                  I can nip that in the bud very quickly

                  PDFORRA raised the fact that there may be 2 tiers of Soldiers in the DF if the 94 contracts

                  were allowed be inforced- they actively sought that all the 94's be allowed join,

                  the things PDFORRA raised was that what would happen in 1999 (94 + 5 years) and no

                  one could honestly answer them- PDFORRA were the good guys in this one.
                  Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                  Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                  The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                  The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                  The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                  Are full of passionate intensity.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by REX View Post
                    PDFORRA were not upset at the fact post'94 soldiers were coming on stream, they wanted the new members to serve under the same conditions as those already in the DF, rather than the much more restrictive contracts being introduced.

                    As for stopping guys from joining PDFORRA, well I don't believe that to be true, unless you have something to back it up?
                    Well i can only tell you what i remember from personal experience , if thats not good enough for you im sorry.

                    What i do remember is a PDFORRA rep telling us at a meeting that while we were not allowed to join , he was expecting that "yellowpacks" would be let in eventually and we were.
                    Anyone need a spleen ?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
                      I can nip that in the bud very quickly

                      PDFORRA raised the fact that there may be 2 tiers of Soldiers in the DF if the 94 contracts

                      were allowed be inforced- they actively sought that all the 94's be allowed join,

                      the things PDFORRA raised was that what would happen in 1999 (94 + 5 years) and no

                      one could honestly answer them- PDFORRA were the good guys in this one.
                      I dont doubt PDFORRA were the good ones in all this. A lot of the 94 intake have them to thank for being allowed stay. They were to the fore front in getting the contract re negotiated. The initial contract was very tight in terms of staying in and it took a lot of work to get it amended. Everyone who has enlisted since then has a reason to be grateful to PDFORRA.
                      ollie
                      not dead yet
                      Last edited by ollie; 9 April 2011, 12:54. Reason: typo
                      Anyone need a spleen ?

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                      • #12
                        Before the 94 intake things were very very bad- you would meet your self coming off duties

                        I think the 94' and 95's were the only Recruit Platoons that were met with open arms from all the

                        sweats- I trained some of the 94's and 95's and the only complaints from the old sweats was that

                        the training was too long as they wanted bodies in the Battalions as quick as possible.
                        Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                        Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                        The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                        The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                        The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                        Are full of passionate intensity.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ollie View Post
                          Well i can only tell you what i remember from personal experience , if thats not good enough for you im sorry.

                          What i do remember is a PDFORRA rep telling us at a meeting that while we were not allowed to join , he was expecting that "yellowpacks" would be let in eventually and we were.
                          I hope this is just confusion from the fact that initially recruits were not allowed to join PDFORRA until completion of training, this was a management decision, probably to avoid new recruits being given too much advice, but it happened anyway and they relented eventually

                          And yes I think we can expect the mods to swoop in any moment................. now!

                          [MOD: nothing to see here, move along]
                          Last edited by REX; 9 April 2011, 13:13.
                          CRIME SCENE INSTIGATOR

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                          • #14
                            We were allowed join about a month into recruit training. It was new ground for everyone at the time
                            Anyone need a spleen ?

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                            • #15
                              Wasn't the term yellow pack not applied to the new banking staff contracts before it was applied to the DF?
                              Without supplies no army is brave.

                              —Frederick the Great,

                              Instructions to his Generals, 1747

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