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**hptmurphy** · 28 April 2011, 13:16

Very simple regarding the southern brigade RDF flashes..some one did away with hearldry behind all the flashes to make them generic and made a complete **** of them in order to tidy up the units under a brigade colour scheme.

Prior to the the re org there was some heraldry attached to FCA flashes but it all went to shite.

The PDF didn't suffer as much and some of the flashes do have their history but only until some fool gets left loose with Photoshop again and trys to rebrand the DF.

**Law of the sea** · 28 April 2011, 13:21

Will you be posting up Navy/NSR and aircorps ones also?

**trellheim** · 28 April 2011, 14:22

Please be aware of copyright behind the images. By putting stuff on wikipedia you are asserting you are the owner or have obtained permission to do so, and this may not the case. Ever wondered why each image on wiki has an associated licence ?

**hptmurphy** · 28 April 2011, 22:37

Why bother with the NS or NSR...bastardized to the limit and overly self indulgent..as for the AC.... worth a history unto themselves.

**RoyalGreenJacket** · 28 April 2011, 23:56

good effort u3island - they look great and i think you have done a brilliant job there.

nice one.

**Truck Driver** · 29 April 2011, 00:36

I agree with Murph.... before, the flashes had a history attached to them, now with the
generic flashes, all that is gone....

**Truck Driver** · 29 April 2011, 00:38

Originally posted by u3island View Post

I have started to post up on to wiki all the army unit flashes. All are being posted up in SVG format and you can save and modify them using free software like Inkscape. The advantage of having them as SVG files is that they can be re-sized to any size without losing any of the detail. What I'd eventually like to happen is for a wiki to develop with a history of each Unit marking to develop. For example, why a particular colour is used? Who originally designed each flash? How did each develop? Also if people could post up photo's of unit flashes in detail ... and I mean detail as in large sized!

You can find my page on wikimedia commons as:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:U3island

Nice, but I' ve seen a mistake.... the 1 Southern Brigade HQ flash is
incorrectly labelled 1 Western Brigade HQ

**Tango_Charlie** · 29 April 2011, 00:49

Best of luck wit the page. Will be a good reference in the future. Hate to be a knob but I think there are a few errors in there.
-Its 1st southern brigade, not 1st western brigade.
-I think the western brigade HQ badge is wrong. Three crowns means its southern brigade doesn't it.

Also no sign of anything at all from the curragh! I know it still under construction but please dont forget us! I acknowledge at times we may not look, act or dress the part but we are in the army too!!!

I'm sure plenty people here, including myself would be willing to lend any assistance we can. I'll be bookmarking your page, Good work fella!!!

**u3island** · 29 April 2011, 10:15

Well spotted with the Western/Southern mix up. All should be fixed now. Curragh, Air Corps, etc in due course. If you want to post up photos/links of flashes to be done next then please do. I have the West RDF all ready to go. Could someone confirm the border colour of the flash. Red or black or blue?

Also, I know bailer has done a lot of the work before. The difference this time is that files are being provided in the original SVG format. This means you can open them with eg Inkscape (free) or Adobe Illustrator (expensive) and edit the images changing the shape and colour of anything you want. By uploading them to wiki I am also trying to ensure that they are kept for posterity. Bailerweb is available if you know how to find it, but it is difficult. By posting on wiki, I am also hoping that someone will take up the mantle and create wiki pages from the main Defence Forces wiki page and can then use the flashes in that wiki page.

Also, I have been a little obsessive about symmetry, and the exact same placement of sub-elements within each flash. Take for example the East. The spear is perfectly symmetrical and placed in the exact same location in each flash. If you don't like it, then you have the original source file that you can edit. You can reshape, re-arrange, re-colour any element you want to your heart's content! SVG files mean that you re-size the image to any size (from tiny to side-of-bus size) and you don't get any loss in quality or pixels.

Also, I don't want to view this as solo run. I'd be more than happy to collaborate within anyone who has an interest. With the excellent work that has been done with the army badges, would anyone be interested in working a project with Military Archives/Collins Bks (aka National Museum) in putting together something tracing the origins and evolution of the flashes?

As for copyright, many thanks for the observations. If you believe that you can't look at the images for copyright restrictions, the follow your own beliefs. I am not imposing any obligations on anyone!

**Archimedes** · 29 April 2011, 12:19

Technically Kermit is right but as the intention is one of education and u3island is not doing this commercially, I'd imagine that you would find it difficult to prosecute him under US copyright law.

US Fair Use Statute

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 17 U.S.C. § 106 and 17 U.S.C. § 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include:
the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
the nature of the copyrighted work;
the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.

**u3island** · 29 April 2011, 12:54

Sigh... I always am confused by the debate that things like this kick off. Just a couple of observations on this. Each of the images on the site have been personally drawn by me. I have sat with a blank screen and drawn each individual stroke. I haven't saved any of the images from any other source. Each image is new representation and I am allowing people to use the image in terms set out.

I am not sure why the bailerweb site went down and I presume it didn't go down because a person with a superior copyright claim required the images to be taken down.

If you compare (for example) the 67 RIB Flash that was posted up on this site in a recent post you will see that the image I have put up is significantly different. The Eastern Brigade Spear in mine is different, the proportions of shield are different, and the crossed rifles are different. Also, you can zoom in on the ones I put up as much as you want (dont't confuse the PNG rendering with the SVG file).

Whilst I'd be happy to discuss the matter with any one who can show me their superior copyright in the images I think this is all a moot point.

Also, I haven't posted any images on this site. I see lots of images on the site but I don't see (m)any attributions to copyright holders.

Oh.. by they way I am copyrighting this post (C) (... and yes I do mean this ironically before another storm kicks off!). Again... sigh.

**The real Jack** · 29 April 2011, 13:04

Ignore kermit, nobody's gonna sue you.

**u3island** · 29 April 2011, 13:30

Sighs... places forehead on table ... shakes head... groans ... and wonders "why?" ... sighs again. After counting 1..2..3..4..5 and looking out window at beautiful day decides not to enter the debate any more. Decides people are capable of looking after themselves and decides an ice-cream would be in order.

**Duffman** · 29 April 2011, 14:11

PM Bailer. He had a great site up there with flashes and insignias.

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