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  • Was it a mistake to meet?

    imho, no

    if anything it was more important to meet because it is important to try and find out exactly what was intended in our EEZ and the Ukraine crisis.

    have the West cut off diplomatic ties with Russia? No

    however, Russia were able to own the photo op

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    • Originally posted by DeV View Post
      Was it a mistake to meet?

      imho, no

      if anything it was more important to meet because it is important to try and find out exactly what was intended in our EEZ and the Ukraine crisis.

      have the West cut off diplomatic ties with Russia? No

      however, Russia were able to own the photo op
      I think the fact that a nearly identical photo was taken a few days later with the Danish ambassador defused the Russian photo somewhat.
      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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      • So who's up next for the GOC DFTC / Year in rank before retirement?

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        • Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
          So who's up next for the GOC DFTC / Year in rank before retirement?
          Brig Gen McGuinness



          pity to see Brig Gen Dignam not go higher, a very honest & forthright man in my experience

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          • Originally posted by DeV View Post

            Brig Gen McGuinness



            pity to see Brig Gen Dignam not go higher, a very honest & forthright man in my experience
            With 39 years service, he won't be in that post long either.
            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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            • a very honest & forthright man in my experience
              Remember some people Mick Beary , the Nasher never got COS . At that level other factors come into play.
              "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

              "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                • Maj Gen O’Brien has been awarded a DSM

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                  • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                    Maj Gen O’Brien has been awarded a DSM

                    https://x.com/2bdegoc/status/1712869...D599sqgWidCthw
                    For what?
                    When will this bullshit ever end!

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                    • Originally posted by Rhodes View Post

                      For what?
                      When will this bullshit ever end!
                      Not saying it's right, but one of the categories of DSM is almost exclusively for Generals. (With Honour) There is no point moaning about it, that's just what seems to be for.
                      It does cheapen the overall medal. I think a seperate honour should be created completely for people who did nothing more than sit in a generals seat at the end of their career. You reached the top of the ladder, you didn't stir shit when you got there.
                      It takes the value out of the guys who got the DSM (with Honour) for giving first aid to his wounded comrade while under fire overseas, or going beyond the limits of a single engine heli to rescue people trapped on a mountain, or being killed returning from a rescue mission you were inadequately equipped to do, but did because if you didn't your organisation would look bad. Or the guy who went blindfolded into enemy territory to negotiate the release of his captured comrades.
                      There seems to be no precedent with the awards.

                      On a lighter note, unless I missed something, she is the first female recipient of a DSM. Well done Ma'am.
                      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                      • Originally posted by Rhodes View Post

                        For what?
                        When will this bullshit ever end!
                        Being made deputy commander of an international force would merit a gong in almost any military. As it stands, the DSM is the only way of recognition at the moment.

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                        • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

                          Not saying it's right, but one of the categories of DSM is almost exclusively for Generals. (With Honour) There is no point moaning about it, that's just what seems to be for.
                          It does cheapen the overall medal. I think a seperate honour should be created completely for people who did nothing more than sit in a generals seat at the end of their career. You reached the top of the ladder, you didn't stir shit when you got there.
                          It takes the value out of the guys who got the DSM (with Honour) for giving first aid to his wounded comrade while under fire overseas, or going beyond the limits of a single engine heli to rescue people trapped on a mountain, or being killed returning from a rescue mission you were inadequately equipped to do, but did because if you didn't your organisation would look bad. Or the guy who went blindfolded into enemy territory to negotiate the release of his captured comrades.
                          There seems to be no precedent with the awards.

                          On a lighter note, unless I missed something, she is the first female recipient of a DSM. Well done Ma'am.
                          These automatic DSM's are pathetic, especially when you think of those who have actually earned the decoration, some very sadly posthumous, and others who were refused decoration by those who were later given an automatic DSM themselves.

                          Originally posted by northie View Post

                          Being made deputy commander of an international force would merit a gong in almost any military. As it stands, the DSM is the only way of recognition at the moment.


                          Is their big paycheck and a pension not enough of a recognition?

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                          • Originally posted by Rhodes View Post

                            These automatic DSM's are pathetic, especially when you think of those who have actually earned the decoration, some very sadly posthumous, and others who were refused decoration by those who were later given an automatic DSM themselves.



                            Is their big paycheck and a pension not enough of a recognition?
                            Their big paycheck and pension is for doing a job in Ireland. Being selected to lead an international forces is a vote of confidence in the individual and the DF, in my opinion that is worthy of recognition as it is above and beyond what is standard for the rank. As I said, the DSM is the only method of doing this at present. Should the COS, DCOS and the Brigadiers get these automatically? No. Particularly given the decline that the organisation is in.

                            Do I think people should be award the same award type for Gallantry vs one for high achievement in ones field? No, but it is what it is at the moment.

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                            • Originally posted by northie View Post

                              Their big paycheck and pension is for doing a job in Ireland. Being selected to lead an international forces is a vote of confidence in the individual and the DF, in my opinion that is worthy of recognition as it is above and beyond what is standard for the rank. As I said, the DSM is the only method of doing this at present. Should the COS, DCOS and the Brigadiers get these automatically? No. Particularly given the decline that the organisation is in.

                              Do I think people should be award the same award type for Gallantry vs one for high achievement in ones field? No, but it is what it is at the moment.
                              They get a larger paycheck when overseas and I don't see how doing the job of your rank is above and beyond anything.

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