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  • Fridge Magnet
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    Originally posted by midnight oil View Post
    To be fair the DF has faired a lot better than GS from the shared minister.

    We have ongoing promotions, GS don't.
    We have ongoing recruitment, GS have not recruited for 5 years as far as I am aware
    We have had some new equipment (LTAV), to the best of my knowledge GS have not
    We have had several new o/s missions open up during the tenure of the current minister
    All of the above was granted after serious cost cutting in the DF, manpower levels getting stupidly low and most likely a deal sweetener to go along with the re-org and barrack closures.

    As for o/s missions, the only major troop deployment on a mission we have is UNIFIL and that mission as a whole, is a step backwards for the DF after Chad.

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  • midnight oil
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    Originally posted by Battletour View Post
    The same Taoiseach merged Dod with Justice and other add ons, did more damage to the DF than Prov SF/IRA could have dreamt of in the last 40 years, appointed a Minister who has zero interest (not so unusual but very blatant).....the list goes on.
    To be fair the DF has faired a lot better than GS from the shared minister.

    We have ongoing promotions, GS don't.
    We have ongoing recruitment, GS have not recruited for 5 years as far as I am aware
    We have had some new equipment (LTAV), to the best of my knowledge GS have not
    We have had several new o/s missions open up during the tenure of the current minister

    Okay, both have had to tighten belts, most obviously and public is last week's GS stations closing but I think we are doing okay,

    I think that the press office went a bit over board a few years back and thankfully they have reined back a bit where they were effectively pimping out the DF for any sort of PR stunt they could think of

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  • Battletour
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    As regards public knowledge and perception you have a challannge the reasons for which I suspect go back to 1922/3 and in fact long before this (an other thread).
    An even a greater challenge educating our 'politicians'. Following the 2011 visits of the USA and British heads of state, major gorse fires etc. our Taoiseach presented the COS with a 'Gradam an Taoiseach' plaque! Some 'Gradam'. The same Taoiseach merged Dod with Justice and other add ons, did more damage to the DF than Prov SF/IRA could have dreamt of in the last 40 years, appointed a Minister who has zero interest (not so unusual but very blatant).....the list goes on.

    Where do you start? The DF Press Office is very dynamic but in general people are not interested. Look at the moronic comments made on the net following DF articles. I do despair at times!

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  • midnight oil
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    RDF will be able to work more closely with PDF counterparts in the reorg and take on roles previously never imagined - e.g. res elements of 1 Mech Inf Coy and 1 ACS.

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  • trellheim
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    All anyone in the RDF can do as far as I can see it to parade frequently and enthusiastically and allow their organisation to flourish based on earning the trust and respect of the MA which in time will allow them to take on more high profile roles
    And that exact policy practised by the RDF has worked well for the last 50 years ? Seems to me the trust from the PDF MA from doing exactly the above is f-k all.

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  • midnight oil
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    I think that at a grass roots level, the RDF does what is expected of it. Provide a local point of contact with the DF.

    Obviously depending on local unit / community integration will determine the level of success.

    the FCA of old used to participate in local parades including St Patricks Day and the Eucharistic Processions as well as organising public equipment displays and schools visits etc. That created a public profile locally and provided PR for the DF as a whole.

    With the changes to the RDF it will become more difficult as most units are barracks centred now.

    All anyone in the RDF can do as far as I can see it to parade frequently and enthusiastically and allow their organisation to flourish based on earning the trust and respect of the MA which in time will allow them to take on more high profile roles

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  • Big Al
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    "What do we need an army for? we are never going to war / we'll never be invaded."

    Pretty standard fare these days when discussing economic policy.

    For some reason its easier to sack 9500 soldiers than 9500 nurses/gardai/insert your favourite public servant here

    I think the press office are doing a reasonable job these days of promoting the defence forces, however it is probably far to little far to late, and they can't get into a political debate as to why we need a defence force.

    The RDF doesnt even register in the publics mind, all they can think about it is the old free clothes association stereotypes..

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  • Infy
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    Public perception of the RDF and Defence Forces in General

    Just something that struck me over the weekend. I was out scouting a wedding band for my upcoming nuptuals and brought a friends with me as herself was working and doesn't trust my judgement (typical woman!). Anyways the fella along with me asked how I was getting on with the reserves and how the re-org was going to effect me. And one of the ladies then asked was I still in the FCA, followed by the sure ye only go there to go drinking.

    I politely told her that the FCA was disbanded in 2005. "oh what are they called now?" was the reply. I proceeded then to tell her about the way kit has improved, we are being re-org'ed again, training courses I have done, things we get up to etc. and in that 5 min conversation I swung her opinion of the Reserves 180 degrees.

    I know in general the military in this country are looked at like the dirt on the underside of ones shoes, and the reserve as the dirt that didn't even make it to the shoes.

    My question to you fellow PDF/RDF and everything in between, is there anything we can do to boost the opinion the public have of us? Does it piss you off (like me) when you are still called an FCA man/woman? I recall doing a guard of honour 2 years ago and the TD escorting the guest when introducing us called us the FCA, I was ready to split him.

    I don't want this to turn into a PDF v RDF slagging match and even to our PDF brothers is there anything collectively we can do (within reason and off our on bat) to improve the public's image of the Defence Forces, because to me it seems that it is:

    Army: Sure all they do is go to the leb for a cushy tour, stand on the street with the banks and do the EOD.

    Navy: detain fishing vessels, no mention of anything else.

    Air Corp: Patient transfers, state trips, no mention of the other work they do.

    All coupled with "sure we are neutral, why do we need an army/air corps/navy", never mind a reserve of any of them. Is it simply a case of the Irish mentality of being ignorant to anything other than what effects oneself? Have the Irish no pride in their Defence Forces anymore, once we got our independence that was enough and this has been passed down through generations?

    The oh sure it's grand attitude. Or is it up to us as members who swore an oath to go out and change opinions? in one 5 min talk I swung one person around, if everyone did that it would be a start. I wonder in this year of the gathering and celebrating our "irishness" coupled with the founding of the Irish Volunteers, can our nations attitudes/opinions be changed?

    This has probably been done to death in other threads, but it is my Monday rant!
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