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  • strummer
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    Originally posted by Come-quickly
    Anyone who seriously goes for the BA seems to get to fire the SA80
    What do you mean CQ? Do the BA give all potential recruits a "familiarisation day" for want of a better word? I've never heard of this before, very interesting. Do you know what else they "expose" them too? Is this after they sign up or is it further enticement, the "hard sell" to close the deal? Is it just for Reg British forces or do TA applicants get it too?

    Just looking for info.

    Later.

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  • greyfox
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    Never fired the sa 80 , heard it is crap. The facts supporting this are its constant upgradings and griping of soldiers. A lot of the early jammings were down to the use of propellent from only one factory in the prototypes. When production models reached line units they had rounds manufactured to different standards (a problem which also effected the m16a1 ) , the early British mags were a failure and the mod used U.S. m16 mags for a time.

    The fact that only Britian uses the sa 80. Interestingly N.A.T.O. removed the sa80 from its exports lists, meaning new members cannot opt to arm their troops with them.( sad when the ultimate Warsaw Pact weapon the ak47/akm is now on the list. )
    As for the sight, it would give a great view of the guy charging your fox hole as you try to clear that jam........

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  • Come-quickly
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    Anyone who seriously goes for the BA seems to get to fire the SA80, also many RDF members have used it with blanks for film purposes, odds are that a significant minority of members have fired it or handled it.

    Ex Pat.
    Isnt the Minimi's mechanism just a reduced MAG anyway? Surely a 7.62x51 Minimi would just be a refurnished MAG?

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  • ex pat 007
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    I have recently seen an article stating that FN is working on a 7.62 minimi. I do believe that 5.56 is not a powerful enough round in the squad auto wpn role.Further the Minimi is not all that much lighter than a GPMG (minimi with 200rd drum and gpmg with 50 round starter belt).

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  • Docman
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    From the little handling of the Steyr that you did get, Cal tanker, what did you think?

    SA-80 always had a bad rep but I have heard nothing but good things about the SA-80A2. Early days yet though and I have heard nothing about it during the Gulf War, which could be a good thing- there were plenty complaints about the boots!!!
    The LSW has been replaced by the Minimi however, something the Irish DOD should keep in mind when looking for the GPMG replacement at section level.

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  • jock
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    It was the old issue insect repellant that melted the plastic on the SA80, the present issue stuff is the same as the US army's and doesn't melt the weapon.

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  • rod and serpent
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    You could be right.

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  • FMolloy
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    I think Jamaica uses the SA80 in small numbers.

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  • rod and serpent
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    Is there any other armies in the world which use the SA80, but there are countries which use the Steyr- just an observation-.

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  • California Tanker
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    They were nice enough to give us a bandolier.. the USGI aluminium magazines are going in there, so I have 12 magazines instead of the usual 7. The British mags are steel. I had heard that the initial British production weren't any better than the US ones, but the latest, you can almost run over 'em with a truck and they'll still feed perfectly. (Most weapons malfunctions have been traced to the magazine). They are highly regarded, even though they weigh almost twice as much empty as the American ones.

    The position of the cocking handle really shouldn't be that much of a problem.. You shouldn't be needing to keep cocking the thing in the first place.

    The insect repellant thing might well be true. The US had a similar problem with the ACOG sight. There are special instructions in the manual for my ACOG I just got issued which explicitly instructs us to avoid getting certain insect repellants on portions of the sight. It seems that in Panama optic casings entirely were melting...

    The past history of the rifle, however horrible it may have been, is irrelevant. Every indicator now seems to be that the issues have been fixed.

    NTM

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  • FMolloy
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    Yes to both.

    The SUSAT is a nice sight, but the weapon is laid out awkwardly & didn't feel right.

    Strummer, why worry about posters being expert authorities? It never stopped you :D

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  • strummer
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    Any of the "expert authorities" posting on this thread ever actually fire the SA80? Ever handled one? Perhaps.......?

    Later.

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  • hptmurphy
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    Dear mod if you wish to alter my posts please bear in mind the context in which it was written.

    This was submitted as a part of a recent thread and not a topic unto itself.

    The principle behind the EM1 was sound as was the smaller calibre.....bull pup configuration being the way forward at the time.....unfortunately the concept of the SA 80 was too far advanced and involved to many seperate manufacturing proceedures to ever be wholly successful.

    The next generation of small arms will in no way reflect the small arms of the seventies and eighties and the SA 80 will probably be remembered as on of the most troubled designs of this time.

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  • Victor
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    Originally posted by California Tanker
    The British steel magazines are absolutely fantastic. I have five in my ammo pouches for Iraq that I'm using in preference to the government issue ones.
    Please carry a few spare, eh?

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  • FMolloy
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    The British steel magazines are absolutely fantastic. I have five in my ammo pouches for Iraq that I'm using in preference to the government issue ones.
    Ironic, blokes I know in the BA were telling me that they used to buy US magazines in preferance to the first batch of SA80 mags.

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