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  • Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
    How many other ranks do you think are employed in McKee? How many duty panels do you think there are in any one location such as McKee with the diversity there?
    I don’t know hence the question

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    • Close CBB and you will have plenty of people for duties in McKee.
      They won't have to come from Finner to do them either!
      "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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      • Originally posted by apod View Post
        Close CBB and you will have plenty of people for duties in McKee.
        They won't have to come from Finner to do them either!
        Close Limerick and put another Bn in Dublin. Problem solved

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        • Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
          Close Limerick and put another Bn in Dublin. Problem solved
          So... instead of a Bn having to travel from Donegal to do duties in Dublin, instead they'll all have to travel from Limerick? Also you are leaving 1 brigade a Bn short.

          Or were you arrempting to have a humourous dig?
          German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
          German 2: Private? I am a general!
          German 1: That is the bad news.

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          • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
            So... instead of a Bn having to travel from Donegal to do duties in Dublin, instead they'll all have to travel from Limerick? Also you are leaving 1 brigade a Bn short.

            Or were you arrempting to have a humourous dig?
            Yeah he was.And failed miserably.

            Closing a Barracks in a area of strategic importance when it is the only one in that area is not the same as closing a barracks in a city that has two.One of which is fully manned and one of which is virtually empty and relies on troops from the other side of the country to keep it afloat.

            Shit and shinola.
            "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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            • Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
              Here's another idea:

              Build mix of 2/3/4 bedroom modern apartments in Cathal Brugha.

              Dept of Defnece funds the build, and hires an external private company to manage the properties..

              Rent out to serving defence forces personnel and family at max of 30% of take home pay.

              Consider it a benefit in kind / renumeration package.

              Personnel and their families are now able to afford livin in capital city and major urban centre yet within 40min commute of DFHQ, DFTC, Baldonnel, McKee, Dublin Duty areas

              potentially removes personnel from FIS as well as serving as an increase in net pay without a pay rise.
              https://www.independent.ie/business/...-36762969.html

              Would be interesting to see the stats on how many Personnel based in Dublin could/can actually afford to live in Dublin

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              • Given that some Dublin 3rd level colleges no longer accept students from outside Dublin (because of the shortage of affordable rental accomodation nearby) I'd say very few. Definitely not in Rathmines anyway.
                German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
                German 2: Private? I am a general!
                German 1: That is the bad news.

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                • Defence Force Accommodation

                  Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                  Given that some Dublin 3rd level colleges no longer accept students from outside Dublin (because of the shortage of affordable rental accomodation nearby) I'd say very few. Definitely not in Rathmines anyway.
                  It is the Task of Government to provide for the level of Defence it thinks it needs. This includes providing accommodation for it's Service personnel and families of married or those that cohabit. In areas where accommodation is not provided then pay must be weighted for all self renters. Building housing on military land is a sensible undertaking. Moving units must include all accommodation and school needs of those being relocated. Defence and all it's social and logistical needs has been eroded. I was born and lived in army quarters in CTC. All that has been bulldozed. The countrywide nature of military establishments requires accommodation needs to be prioritised.

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                  • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                    Given that some Dublin 3rd level colleges no longer accept students from outside Dublin (because of the shortage of affordable rental accomodation nearby) I'd say very few. Definitely not in Rathmines anyway.
                    ????
                    Must be private non-CAO ones

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                    • Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
                      https://www.independent.ie/business/...-36762969.html

                      Would be interesting to see the stats on how many Personnel based in Dublin could/can actually afford to live in Dublin
                      https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2018-03-20a.16&s="Defence+forces+strength"+section%3Awrans

                      . Written answers
                      Tuesday, 20 March 2018
                      Department of Defence
                      Defence Forces Strength
                      Photo of Michael Healy-RaeMichael Healy-Rae (Kerry, Independent)
                      Link to this: Individually | In context

                      5. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence his plans to address matters raised in correspondence (details supplied); and if he will make a statement on the matter. [12000/18]

                      Photo of Paul KehoePaul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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                      Unlike other areas of the Public Service and due to the nature of the duties performed, overtime payments are not available to members of the Defence Forces. A Military Service Allowance is paid to all ranks up to the level of Colonel. Military Service Allowance is designed to compensate for the special disadvantages associated with military life. This includes unsocial hours of duty, exposure to danger and the restrictions inherent in military discipline.

                      The starting pay for a Corporal, including Military Service Allowance, is over €37,000 per annum. The first point on the payscale for a Sergeant, including Military Service Allowance, is €40,000 per annum.
                      MSA does not cover or dent the cost of living in a city that is now more expensive then London

                      Also, a Sgt on €40,000 pa gross (incl MSA) even if coupled with a spouse/partner on a similar pay scale can now not afford the average house price that exists in all of counties Dublin and Wicklow. The maximum 3.5x mortgage level also means that Meath and Kildare will be out of reach in the next 2-3 years if house prices keep going the way their going.

                      Not to mention the fact that rent prices are now over €500pm more than the monthly mortgage repayments.

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                      • Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
                        CBB does not draw on external units with the exception of BST but that was always a Bde wide task
                        https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2017-04-13a.1060&s="Defence+forces+deployment"+section%3Awrans

                        Written answers
                        Thursday, 13 April 2017
                        Department of Defence
                        Defence Forces Deployment
                        Photo of Aengus Ó SnodaighAengus Ó Snodaigh (Dublin South Central, Sinn Fein)
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                        410. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the number of Defence Forces personnel based in camps in County Donegal and Dundalk that have been assigned to duties in Dublin on a monthly basis from the years 2012 to 2016 and to date in 2017 in tabular form. [18877/17]

                        Photo of Paul KehoePaul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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                        I am advised by the military authorities that in order for 2 Brigade to execute its full range of operational, training and administrative tasks, Units based outside Dublin are required to perform operational duties in Dublin on certain occasions each month. The execution of such duties provides for a shared and equitable distribution of these daily operational commitments, whilst also enhancing situational awareness of the capital for all units. These duties normally require the conduct of a wide range of familiarisation patrols throughout the greater Dublin area to 2 Brigade vital installations, and other Dublin based specific operational taskings.

                        The following tables out the number of Defence Forces personnel from the 27 Battalion (Dundalk), and the 28 Battalion (Donegal) that have been assigned to duties in Dublin on a monthly basis from 2012 to 2016 and to date in 2017:

                        Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
                        27 BN 72 72 48 84 96 84 84 72 72 84 72 72
                        28 BN 48 60 136 102 85 85 102 102 102 68 102 102
                        2014

                        Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
                        27 BN 72 72 72 80 102 85 68 102 102 85 102 91
                        28 BN 102 102 102 102 102 136 102 102 102 102 51 162
                        2015

                        Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
                        27 BN 120 100 120 120 120 120 120 120 120 120 120 120
                        28 BN 120 120 120 120 120 120 120 120 120 120 120 120
                        2016

                        Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
                        27 BN 168 105 126 105 126 126 126 147 147 126 126 126
                        28 BN 122 122 104 122 122 122 122 122 122 122 122 122
                        2017

                        Jan Feb Mar Apr
                        27 BN 147 126 147 63
                        28 BN 122 122 162 0


                        So in reality: over 260 personnel per month (a Battalion minus) have to travel from Dundalk and Donegal to support routine duties in Dublin.

                        Important to note that 6Bn Personnel are not included in this table. Which means that it is reasonable to assume the real figure is closer to 300 personal per month required to fulfill duties in Dublin.

                        Each Battalion (27/28) which are already understrength are losing an entire company per month every month since August 2014
                        Last edited by TangoSierra; 2 April 2018, 11:26.

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                        • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                          It is the Task of Government to provide for the level of Defence it thinks it needs. This includes providing accommodation for it's Service personnel and families of married or those that cohabit. In areas where accommodation is not provided then pay must be weighted for all self renters. Building housing on military land is a sensible undertaking. Moving units must include all accommodation and school needs of those being relocated. Defence and all it's social and logistical needs has been eroded. I was born and lived in army quarters in CTC. All that has been bulldozed. The countrywide nature of military establishments requires accommodation needs to be prioritised.
                          Written answers
                          Wednesday, 27 September 2017
                          Department of Defence
                          Vacant Properties Data
                          Photo of Lisa ChambersLisa Chambers (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
                          Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

                          215. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the number of vacant housing units his Department has under its control; his plans to bring these units back into use; the timeframe for them to be made available for housing; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [40857/17]

                          Photo of Lisa ChambersLisa Chambers (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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                          216. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the number of housing units the Defence Forces has that are classified as marital quarters; the number of those units that are vacant; the state of repair those units are in; the timeframe for the units to become available; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [40858/17]

                          Photo of Paul KehoePaul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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                          I propose to take Questions Nos. 215 and 216 together.

                          The Department commenced a process of phased withdrawal from Married Quarters for serving Defence Forces personnel almost twenty years ago. As a result, the number of family type accommodation units currently being used by serving Defence Forces personnel, as advised by the military authorities, now stands at twenty two (22).






                          Written answers
                          Thursday, 4 May 2017
                          Department of Defence
                          Defence Forces Properties
                          Photo of Fiona O'LoughlinFiona O'Loughlin (Kildare South, Fianna Fail)
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                          269. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence his plans to review Defence Forces regulations with regard to the governance and management of married quarters; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [21179/17]

                          Photo of Fiona O'LoughlinFiona O'Loughlin (Kildare South, Fianna Fail)
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                          270. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the number of families which are in residence in married quarters in the Curragh camp; the number of these families which have an eviction order pending; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [21180/17]

                          Photo of Paul KehoePaul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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                          I propose to take Questions Nos. 269 and 270 together.

                          Since 1997 the Department’s policy has been to withdraw from the provision of married quarters for serving personnel as they are no longer required for the modern soldier. In this context, there are no plans to review Defence Force Regulations with regards to the governance and management of married quarters.
                          Last edited by TangoSierra; 2 April 2018, 11:35.

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                          • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                            ????
                            Must be private non-CAO ones
                            I miss spoke, it itn't that the colleges do not accept them, it is just that those from outside commuting distance from Dublin no longer consider them as a practical option to apply for.
                            UCD suffered greatly in a fall off of CAO applications from outside Dublin.
                            German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
                            German 2: Private? I am a general!
                            German 1: That is the bad news.

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                            • Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
                              htAlso, a Sgt on €40,000 pa gross (incl MSA).
                              DoD figures are incorrect

                              Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
                              So in reality: over 260 personnel per month (a Battalion minus) have to travel from Dundalk and Donegal to support routine duties in Dublin.

                              Important to note that 6Bn Personnel are not included in this table. Which means that it is reasonable to assume the real figure is closer to 300 personal per month required to fulfill duties in Dublin.

                              Each Battalion (27/28) which are already understrength are losing an entire company per month every month since August 2014
                              its all to do with how the question is put.... those 2 Coys deployed to Dublin aren’t for the duration of the month. There could be 102 down from Dundalk on the 1st of the month (for the day of a Captains GoH) and 1 for BDO on the last day of the month.

                              That isn’t to say it’s right

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                              • There is far more going on that I am willing to share here or that has been disclosed by the questions that the TDs were fed to ask the Minister. People are moving all over the place to fill holes in the organisation and it is getting worse, not better

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