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  • #46
    Not really a valid reason to keep a rather under-utilised and out of date facility open.

    Bearing in mind "emergency housing for homeless" is not a military of even DoD remit. More of the usual Irish cheap alternative solution methodology rather than the responsible Depts actually dealing with the issue properly.

    Don't even mention some of the issues that have arisen within the hospital due to same said persons being accommodated in the facility.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by danno View Post
      Ballincollig-Clancy come to mind. Since MQ's have been done away is there any need for 3 schools in DFTC?
      I'm sure there's probably families living in the vicinity of the camp whose kids attend school there, who would otherwise have to attend school in Newbridge or Kildare town. Plus the convenience of service personnel being able to drop kids to school in the camp. But yep, unsure why there are two primary schools in the camp?
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      • #48
        Having schools for small children in the vicinity of an munitions/explosive dump is not a good idea.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
          I'm sure there's probably families living in the vicinity of the camp whose kids attend school there, who would otherwise have to attend school in Newbridge or Kildare town. Plus the convenience of service personnel being able to drop kids to school in the camp. But yep, unsure why there are two primary schools in the camp?
          Isn't there a school in Brownstown also?
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          • #50
            Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
            Isn't there a school in Brownstown also?
            And Ballysax, Cut Bush, Green Road (x2) Athgarvan, It is very difficult to access the Camp without passing by or near a school. Hard to see why the DoD is supplying three sites within the DFTC for schools when accomodation is in short supply for regular DF needs.

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            • #51
              Thought this was the most suitable thread to post this in. Report from 1999. Interesting the PWC DF Review recommended strength and organisation as mentioned in this report as against where the DF currently stands...

              http://www.euscreen.eu/play.jsp?id=E...331CFE1D9060CB
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
                Thought this was the most suitable thread to post this in. Report from 1999. Interesting the PWC DF Review recommended strength and organisation as mentioned in this report as against where the DF currently stands...

                http://www.euscreen.eu/play.jsp?id=E...331CFE1D9060CB
                8500 was 1 Bde and I think a "task force" for Dublin (not sure what that consisted of)

                Did the ECF consider a proper Defence organisation or was it just cuts?

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                • #53
                  http://m.independent.ie/business/per...-35449503.html

                  State to offer public land to developers to ease housing crisis.

                  If the issue of listed structures could be worked over, there could be potential scope to include Bricins, Civil Defence yard (Collins Bks) and Cathal Brugha Bks for sale. I see in the news that Harold's Cross Greyhound stadium is closing and being sold also.

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                  • #54
                    Try building some greater density in the city footprint that exists. Dublin is both extremely low density and spreading like a cancer.

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                    • #55
                      State to offer public land to developers to ease housing crisis.

                      If the issue of listed structures could be worked over, there could be potential scope to include Bricins, Civil Defence yard (Collins Bks) and Cathal Brugha Bks for sale. I see in the news that Harold's Cross Greyhound stadium is closing and being sold also.
                      McNamara got half of bricins and did fk all with it before going bust , Clancy lay idle for many years and is only now going mad strength - remember Defence portfolio has been utterly ravaged , the one new barracks - Cavan - was sold on
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by expat01 View Post
                        Try building some greater density in the city footprint that exists. Dublin is both extremely low density and spreading like a cancer.
                        I wouldn't call it a cancer a conglomeration is the correct word.

                        In some ways the further it spreads the better as it means more jobs over a wider area (but still most of those will be in the city centre.

                        If we could sort out the public transport we'd be laughing!

                        It is too costly and too slow

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by DeV View Post
                          I wouldn't call it a cancer a conglomeration is the correct word.

                          In some ways the further it spreads the better as it means more jobs over a wider area (but still most of those will be in the city centre.

                          If we could sort out the public transport we'd be laughing!

                          It is too costly and too slow
                          Mind where you go. Johannesburg city ( not metro) covers about three times the area
                          Of Dublin city ( not metro) at less than twice the population. But nearly twice the density of population. ( amazing How much space roads start to take up to move that many people). How much space will Dublin city take up... Never mind the metro... If it reaches the same population level at the current density? Non-Dublin will be a park west of the Shannon!
                          Last edited by expat01; 15 February 2017, 10:34.

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                          • #58
                            Army Barracks
                            41. Deputy Eamon Ryan asked the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the barracks in use in Dublin; the deployment of forces between those barracks; and if there are plans for an amalgamation or co-ordination of the resources in this regard. [3450/18]

                            Minister of State at the Department of Defence (Deputy Paul Kehoe): There are four permanently occupied military installations in Dublin. These are located at Cathal Brugha Barracks (Rathmines), McKee Barracks (Blackhorse Avenue), St. Bricin's Hospital (Infirmary Road) and Casement Aerodrome (Baldonnel).

                            For operational and security reasons, details of troop numbers at each location cannot be disclosed. It should be noted however that the number of personnel stationed at a particular location will frequently vary as it is a normal operational feature for there to be a constant through-flow of personnel into and out of military installations on an ongoing basis.

                            The Defence property portfolio is kept under review to ensure the most effective use of resources having regard to the roles assigned by Government to the Defence Forces. However, there are currently no plans to close or amalgamate any permanently occupied military installations.

                            Questions Nos. 42 and 43 answered with Question No. 10.

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                            • #59
                              Eamonn Ryan has an angle on something given his questions lately, too bad he's getting inaccurate figures from the MfS answers

                              https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/...ection%3Awrans

                              Eamon Ryan (Dublin Bay South, Green Party)
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                              95. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the number of soldiers billeted by the Army; the locations of same; and his views on same. [7793/18]

                              Photo of Paul KehoePaul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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                              The number of bed places currently available for use by military personnel at each of the permanently occupied military locations is shown in the table. This accommodation is generally referred to as Single Living In accommodation and the overall provision of such accommodation is based on military operational requirements. The number of personnel actually billeted at any one time varies according to such operational requirements.

                              Location Total Number Of Beds Available For Use
                              1st Brigade
                              Collins Bks, Cork 227
                              Dún UiMhaoilíosa Bks, Galway 184
                              Sarsfield Bks, Limerick 133
                              Stephens Bks, Kilkenny 133
                              2nd Brigade
                              Aiken Bks, Dundalk 180
                              Cathal Brugha Bks, Dublin 356
                              Custume Bks, Athlone 234
                              Finner Camp, Donegal 190
                              Gormanston Camp, Meath 134
                              McKee Bks, Dublin 249
                              St Bricin’s Hospital, Dublin 12
                              Casement Aerodrome, Baldonnel 201
                              DFTC, Curragh Camp 970
                              Naval Base, Haulbowline, Cork 222
                              Total 3,425

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post

                                Minister of State at the Department of Defence (Deputy Paul Kehoe)

                                For operational and security reasons, details of troop numbers at each location cannot be disclosed.

                                .
                                This lack of clear answers due to "operational and security reasons" is BS.

                                The same Minister gave detailed troop numbers in Custume Barracks on several occasions.

                                https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2017-05-17a.58&s="Custume+barracks"+section%3Awrans#g59.q

                                Paul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
                                Link to this: Individually | In context | Oireachtas source

                                The current strength of Defence Force personnel at Custume barracks, Athlone on 15 May, 2017, the latest date for which figures are available, was 886 personnel across all ranks.

                                The re-organisation in 2013 did not significantly alter the actual number of PDF personnel serving in Custume Barracks, Athlone. In accordance with the revised organisational structures, as of 30 November 2012 the establishment for Units based in Custume Barracks is 995 personnel

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