Reserve Special Operations (Waltering Allowed)

[jpb]

In all the talk that has gone on lately about reserve spec op's, I was wondering if maybe some of the member's here had some idea of a programme to make it work.

What if certain member's from unit's went forward for selection and on completion formed a unit to train for 18 months, take themselve's off civvie street and commit to a regime of pure soldiering, would any member's here think that this is a way to go, could it be done, could you give up your life for 18 months to serve, never mind the time to train to bring yourself up to a standered to complete selection.

is there anyone out there that feel's their unit has people that they feel would be up to that standered now, throw your opinions in here and please don't let this thread go to one line post's of crap, get it off your chest and be done with it.....no sniping,

keep safe.

[FCA Trooper]

the closest to what you've just described that is going to happen is the integration,where RDF members will actually join the PDF,do a year's service and then return to their RDF units. that'll be happening in the next 4 years or so.

[clean it again]

Lads.
It would never happen, as the PDF would not allow RDF members
to pass to selection course, nothing against PDF, but They did it to the ERU, by increasing the score for passing the sniper course, for no reason. So all this talk about spec ops is good, but in the current climate of PDF/RDF issues, it is not going to happen. The PDF are and we all know it, going to be phased out in the next couple of years, a part time
better equipement force is of the order. That my opinion with 20 years
in the RDF.

[Big Al]

Your right about passing the selection course, you could see when all the "sandbags" start passing the para course in Holland that the right to wear wings was quickly dropped, you cant have the "baggers" showing up the pdf can you?

The PDF are and we all know it, going to be phased out in the next couple of years

Cant agree with that statement. No modern country would completely phase out its existing defence force.

The only reserve spec op's force that may be set up (and i doubt it would ever be) would be made up in the main by ex-ARW types

[morpheus]

The PDF are going to be phased out???

We all know it???


ehh.. no we dont!! do you know how silly that comment sounds? thats worse than even the silliest unbased sh*te that ive had the mis-pleasure to post, and we all know how silly MY posts can be.

The PDF is here to stay, its not going to be phased out, its reached an economically viable and retainable point, the RDF will probably be improved to make up some of the shortfall.

I think that maybe reserve Spec Ops is a good idea, but most likely the DOD dont see it that way, too expensive, better to increase a PDF units training to close to ARW. I could see the possibility that rather a reserve unit would be trained in SOME spec ops "tactics" rather than the complete ARW role, tactics that wouldnt be the norm for infantry training in the RDF, as long as theres a reason for the extra-curricular training.

Maybe a reserve unit in each Bat combined of NCO's from the companys within that battalion, training with an ex ARW member or better yet ex ARW instructor who teaches things some of the following, if not all, at least at a basic level

sniper role as in advanced marksmanship and concealment of your position when sniping,
spec demo,
inteligence gathering,
Enhanced FIBUA with hostages,
Tracking and ambushing,
Capture evasion,
Anti-Interrogation Procedures,
etc

would be a better idea, they go away a few extra weekends a year and recieve
the training, and they could in turn pass this on to others in their own units.

On an aside whats the state of unarmed combat training in the RDF?? ive never heard of it being used... it would be a good idea to at least train people to fight in unarmed combat, im sure some members are trained in martial arts, i know i am/was up until a few years ago anyway, i could teach them a few things :D.

[mutter nutter]

I know this is a bit off thread but would it be a good idea to train the PDF recce platoon's in more advanced tactic's, parachuting, diving etc then they could take some of the strain off the ARW:confused:

[morpheus]

What strain? the ARW numbers would be increased if they couldnt cope with their workload. the idea is to have a reserve ARW unit... but TBH it would have to be a PDF unit, this kind of training couldnt possibly be undertaken at reserve level.

[morpheus]

click here

for an interesting site i stumbled across all about the ARW (and other spec ops units worldwide.) wonder if they have permission to show the pics and info!!

[mutter nutter]

I'm not talking about the CT-hr part or black op's side of there work but such ting's as long range recce


ps they are increasing the ARW to about 150 but even countries with special forces also have unit's of the regular military trained in element's of unconventional warfare

[Kieran]

look lads the whole rdf/pdf thing. that exists in every army in the world, ours is just more amiture then others

[fillo]

I dont agree with the concept of a reserve SF, the standard & committment required for that kind of unit would have to be of the highest level. At present if you look at most RDF units there not really up to much, standard wise.

The frist priority should be the re-org get RDF units up to the same level of their PDF counter parts, then interduce specialist courses i.e. sniper, diving, para etc which as a resource can be called apon when required.

[FMolloy]

A reserve recce unit is not completely beyond the realms of possibility, but could only happen after the re-org is completed & eveyone is settled (i.e. 10 years time)

[Big Al]

remember the steering group reported in 1999, the minister only agreed "in principle" to the re-org, and when re-org does come, wait and see the budgetary restrictions that will drag out the whole process over a 10 year rather than a 6 year period (goddamn typical snails pace public sector bull if you ask me)

[fillo]

FMolloy, a reserve recce unit, is that not one of the roles of the Cav & Arty op's ?

[The Sultan]

Ive been readin this board for the past year, and Ive come to one conclusion.

60% of the people on this board are like GARETH KEEGEN from the office (the weird one)

Think about it... a reserve special ops within the FCA? People in the FCA think they are some sort of super soldier (by day, hes a binman, but every tuesday, he transforms into the SUPER SOLDIER - he shoots a gun 3 times a year, and wears a uniform!) but face it your not!
People who served in the pdf and are now in the fca probably hate a lot of their "comrades", who train 2 hrs a week, consider themselves as good as the PDF, consider themselves suitable candidates for ranger training, and moan about the fact they cant become part time rangers...

But, im not knocking everyone in the FCA,because there are a lot of good people in it, who are fit, strong or smart and have gained their deserved respect one way or another - but Im sure those people feel the same way as me....

Anyone who thinks they fit any of the personalities above, give a reply.(im expecting to be well and truly flamed soon)...finally i am not speaking from experience in the PDF, as im colourblind and dey wont let me in,but I went to alot of fca parades before I was kicked out (cause I went to a medical and found out im colourblind)