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  • #76
    How are NSR units independent?

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    • #77
      Originally posted by trellheim View Post
      which is another reason it all needs burning to the ground - its nothing to do with the "local unit" anymore. Every single sub-unit now ( before we go anywhere else) is part of a PDF unit HQ'd in a manned post NSR being about the only exception for one of their Units.
      I should have said convenient rather than local, no point in someone who lives and works in Kerry going to Dublin

      As you say, every single unit in the DF is HQ’ed in an occupied post. But there are currently 16 sub-units who aren’t.

      This situation is so stupid you have to get the GP register as a DOD supplier , it is all handwaving from D MED who CAN NOT be bothered to deal with reservists who are just as entitled by regulation as PDF to be examined. Is any of that being looked at for the RDF ? No. Its the biggest block to recruiting.

      Like I said - burn it all to the ground.
      that isn’t just a RDF problem. Not sure if they have allowed RDF trained audiogram operators (who used to do it) and doctors to do medicals yet.

      I work in a highly regulated industry and if our admin process was like the DF we would be bankrupt.



      Originally posted by batterysgt View Post
      Parade nights/ field day etc not allowed under level 5. Some RDF in JTF and some driving details to my knowledge.
      Aviva and other duties too

      Originally posted by batterysgt View Post
      Every single sub-unit now ( before we go anywhere else) is part of a PDF unit HQ'd in a manned post NSR being about the only exception for one of their Units.
      3rd Bn have a company based in Waterford so they are the same but for the 45min drive to Kilkenny barracks.
      16 sub units plus WUNSR outside occupied posts

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      • #78
        Sub-units outside occupied posts:

        Letterkenny
        Sligo
        Boyle
        Castlebar
        Cavan
        Mullingar
        Navan
        Bray (since transferred to Council, Coy moved to CBB)
        Wexford
        Waterford (also WUNSR)
        Templemore
        Mallow
        Skibbereen
        Tralee (is occupied but not in the normal sense)
        Ennis
        Clifden

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        • #79
          But there are currently 16 sub-units who aren’t.
          You know I know this. It's not the point.

          The point is that those sub-units are all part of a barrack-based unit that has to deal with the issue of having part of its strength elsewhere and its focus is on its own mission.

          Its a huge drag for no return to the parent ( or very little compared to the barracks-based subs).

          Fado fado stuff and tea drinking get rid of them all and you cant do it without burning it to the ground or everyone will just hark back to the shite old days when you could stand in a door

          It cannot continue. Rearranging Deckchairs on the Titanic ( new R5) , keeping rural subs, keeping any infantry subs at all ( and I'm a long time infantryman)

          Without this harsh action the 'what are they good for' question will always remain

          I'm on the phone to the unit a couple of times a week and unless you can help them with their (** our) problems then they're cordial and its a short call . PDF have a crapton of work and their numbers are brutal in the specialists due to shite pay terms and conditions . Thats the reality of service today as a reservist
          "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

          "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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          • #80
            Originally posted by DeV View Post
            The main problem is majority of (very understandable) PDF personnel (Bde Manpower, gym staff, doctors, medics, etc) don’t want to work at the weekend for zero extra pay. In some places in fairness they pull out the stops and it works.
            Well, that one is easily solved - give them a day off during the week in lieu. If you mean an allowance for working Sat and Sun, why? I was never aware that the army was 9-5 Mon-Fri. (The Air Corps may be a different matter )
            'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
            'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
            Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
            He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
            http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
              Well, that one is easily solved - give them a day off during the week in lieu. If you mean an allowance for working Sat and Sun, why? I was never aware that the army was 9-5 Mon-Fri. (The Air Corps may be a different matter )
              There was a time when doing that kind of work would attract a nice allowance not anymore

              Except many of those are so busy that if they do the RDF work and/or take a DiL it is PDF work that isn’t getting done.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                You know I know this. It's not the point.

                The point is that those sub-units are all part of a barrack-based unit that has to deal with the issue of having part of its strength elsewhere and its focus is on its own mission.

                Its a huge drag for no return to the parent ( or very little compared to the barracks-based subs).

                Fado fado stuff and tea drinking get rid of them all and you cant do it without burning it to the ground or everyone will just hark back to the shite old days when you could stand in a door

                It cannot continue. Rearranging Deckchairs on the Titanic ( new R5) , keeping rural subs, keeping any infantry subs at all ( and I'm a long time infantryman)

                Without this harsh action the 'what are they good for' question will always remain

                I'm on the phone to the unit a couple of times a week and unless you can help them with their (** our) problems then they're cordial and its a short call . PDF have a crapton of work and their numbers are brutal in the specialists due to shite pay terms and conditions . Thats the reality of service today as a reservist
                They shouldn’t have been left in 2013 IMHO but that was a political decision.

                At the very least grat should have been retained (increased IMHO) to offset it, aid retention and allow for much increased expectations (with no additional resources).

                Infantry units are no less short of people and sometimes it is manpower rather than tech skills required, but remember the infantryman can also have a 154, be a MFR, Regimental Signaller etc etc
                Last edited by DeV; 19 January 2021, 15:03.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                  Well, that one is easily solved - give them a day off during the week in lieu. If you mean an allowance for working Sat and Sun, why? I was never aware that the army was 9-5 Mon-Fri. (The Air Corps may be a different matter )
                  Come on now. 9-4 mon-thurs, 9-3:45 fri.
                  German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
                  German 2: Private? I am a general!
                  German 1: That is the bad news.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by DeV View Post
                    There was a time when doing that kind of work would attract a nice allowance not anymore

                    Except many of those are so busy that if they do the RDF work and/or take a DiL it is PDF work that isn’t getting done.
                    Then how do they take Leave, sick or any other day during the week? If people don't want to do something they will always find an excuse not to, especially if management also don't want the hassle. It applies to any organisation.
                    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                      Come on now. 9-4 mon-thurs, 9-3:45 fri.
                      And half-day Wednesday for sports...
                      'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                      'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                      Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                      He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                      http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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                      • #86
                        We seem to be going down the well worn path of identifying the malaise that currently exists and possibly always did exist in the RDF.

                        It seems the most agreed on point is that moving to a one weekend a month structure would get the most benefit from any time our resources invested in the reserve.

                        On a personal level, justifying being gone two full days once a month is a whole lot easier than four evenings throughout the month. I commute 30-40 min each way and generally show early on parade nights so it would be win win for me. Also possibly easier on family life if all is well planned.

                        I just hope similar input is presented by whoever is providing feedback for the reserve to the Commission (RDFRA?). I'd wonder if there are too many sacred cows that some within the reserve aren't willing to slaughter. I also worry when I see so much time being invested into this EUROMIL nonsense when there is so much to do closer to home......

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Auldsod View Post
                          We seem to be going down the well worn path of identifying the malaise that currently exists and possibly always did exist in the RDF.

                          It seems the most agreed on point is that moving to a one weekend a month structure would get the most benefit from any time our resources invested in the reserve.

                          On a personal level, justifying being gone two full days once a month is a whole lot easier than four evenings throughout the month. I commute 30-40 min each way and generally show early on parade nights so it would be win win for me. Also possibly easier on family life if all is well planned.

                          I just hope similar input is presented by whoever is providing feedback for the reserve to the Commission (RDFRA?). I'd wonder if there are too many sacred cows that some within the reserve aren't willing to slaughter. I also worry when I see so much time being invested into this EUROMIL nonsense when there is so much to do closer to home......
                          In fairness, nothing to stop a unit/sub-unit going from training parades to 1 weekend a month (I know of one which has)

                          But then add in courses, exercises, competitions, rehearsals and other taskings. There has been occasions during my service when I was in uniform 6 weekends out of 8 (plus weekly training parades).
                          Last edited by DeV; 19 January 2021, 18:53.

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                          • #88
                            Go back to the Chief of Staff and ask him out straight; does he support the retention of a Reserve or not? If he does not, then it will wither on the vine and he will get a pat on the back for cost-saving.

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                            • #89
                              Go back to the Chief of Staff and ask him out straight; does he support the retention of a Reserve or not?
                              In his RTE interview last week he clearly called out Tech Enabled Defence bolstered by the RDF. Thats not the same as saying retain the RDF in its current form.



                              Moving on we've had at least in the last 21+ years

                              2000 RDFRIB
                              2000 White Paper
                              2005 Reorg
                              2008 Integrated Reserve
                              2012 Reorg
                              Bord Snip ( Cutting the Grat really helped numbers).
                              2015 White Paper
                              2019 White Paper Update

                              ------------------------------------------

                              All have played with the dials but none have actually done anything . Numbers, apart from a tiny couple of jumps, have been on a tremendous slide since.
                              Commission on the Future for Defence
                              Last edited by trellheim; 20 January 2021, 00:22.
                              "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                              "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                                Come on now. 9-4 mon-thurs, 9-3:45 fri.
                                Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                                And half-day Wednesday for sports...
                                Come and work in any DF Bks at the moment and realise how flippant and derisive those comments are.

                                Our people are meeting themselves coming off Covid Tasks which are more often than not seven day a week ones.On top of keeping the Barracks secure, meeting TRRs and being on call for ATCP tasks.

                                You two are seriously out of touch if you think that what ye stated is even close to the current state of play
                                "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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