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  • Originally posted by apod View Post
    Our AR Colleagues ARE being used and have been since this started.We have AR pers on duty nearly every day of the week(O/O yesterday was AR. Gd Comd today is AR for example) plus we have used them to make up the numbers on nearly all Internal Exercises(Rec Pln TRRs, both as Enemy AND mixed in with the Students as Exercise troops) and most external ones too( Cadet School/IWW/NCOTW/BTC TRR's). Our AR guys and Gals are helping out with Covid tasks such as contact tracing in mixed PDF/AR Teams
    with the ratio being 80% AR to 20% PDF with an AR Officer OIC.

    In short our AR guys have been magnificent and I would go so far as to say that without them we couldn't have kept going last year(and this year so far). I would literally grow out of anyone who disrespected our AR people if they did it on front of me.Simple as.



    Jesus bud.Are you apologising or not? You say that's not what you believe so why say it?? It's not funny.It IS Flippant,which Flamingo has acknowledged and apologised for,and to the best of my knowledge I haven't disrespected your Job and how It is done. Not looking to get into a pissing match.I am too tired, but if you really DID see what is going on inside the Barracks wall you would realise that I am not being oversensitive but have every right to expect a retraction on behalf of the lads and lasses who are giving so much for f**k all thanks and even less money.

    Genuinely.You need to withdraw the comment without equivocation.As has been said before.Words Matter.
    Consider it withdrawn. It was made in jest, using an ironic stereotype. I will delete the post if you wish.
    Can I assume there will be an embargo on "Lazy civil servant" statements also?
    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    • AR are not in receipt of f**k all when they are on FTT and you should know that. Two days pay for a 24hr duty plus rest off, not bad if your a capt get about €210 before tax. The same rank PDF gets less for a Sunday duty but does get a rest off. Yes the AR does not get the SDA allowance. Any AR involved in covid-19 related tasks are in receipt of FTT pay + 10% and covid-19 payment.
      NSR got FTT + 10% and Patrol duty allowance and some got covid-19 allowance.some of those guys who I know did over 55days onboard ships, which was excellent but mostly because they were out of work or college. JTF AR are in receipt of FTT +10% and covid-19 payment daily, thats a handy lump for a Lt Col on a Sat, honestly great commitment from all those Reservists, who have given time in uniform. But it's not for free.

      But they are using there free time to help.
      Last edited by batterysgt; 21 January 2021, 20:06.

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      • If people are available and have the opportunity fair play to them

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        • Originally posted by batterysgt View Post
          AR are not in receipt of f**k all when they are on FTT and you should know that. Two days pay for a 24hr duty plus rest off, not bad if your a capt get about €210 before tax. The same rank PDF gets less for a Sunday duty but does get a rest off. Yes the AR does not get the SDA allowance. Any AR involved in covid-19 related tasks are in receipt of FTT pay + 10% and covid-19 payment.
          NSR got FTT + 10% and Patrol duty allowance and some got covid-19 allowance.some of those guys who I know did over 55days onboard ships, which was excellent but mostly because they were out of work or college. JTF AR are in receipt of FTT +10% and covid-19 payment daily, thats a handy lump for a Lt Col on a Sat, honestly great commitment from all those Reservists, who have given time in uniform. But it's not for free.

          But they are using there free time to help.
          If you bothered to read the second part of my post properly you would see I was not referring to the AR. I was referring to the PDF. But thanks for that.

          PS: No need for the maths lesson.I know EXACTLY what AR members get for doing both Regimental and ATCA duties.Cheers.
          "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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          • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
            Consider it withdrawn. It was made in jest, using an ironic stereotype. I will delete the post if you wish.
            Can I assume there will be an embargo on "Lazy civil servant" statements also?
            Thank you. Takes a big man to admit when they are wrong. At least on my part I will not stand over comments like you mentioned above. No such thing these days.
            "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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            • I find i am wrong more often, as I get older.
              German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
              German 2: Private? I am a general!
              German 1: That is the bad news.

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              • Im delighted that at least some units are using their RDF elements.
                We were asked months ago to give dates when we could do duties and that was the last we heard about it.
                Some of the people are starting to ask whats the point if at the time when resources are stretched we dont asked to give a dig out

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                • Keeping sending to your one up PDF, in writing, members are willing to commit time and when. You might get a reply.
                  Last edited by batterysgt; 22 January 2021, 13:04.

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                  • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                    That's correct and the 18 are listed above already up-thread. Note that these were submissions on the Terms of Reference .
                    I note that the TOR was already set by Government to the COD and maybe cannot be construed as subject to submission or alteration. There is an interesting proposal on the RDF " to make it a more attractive Option".
                    Last edited by ancientmariner; 4 February 2021, 08:47.

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                    • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                      I note that the TOR was already set by Government to the COD and maybe cannot be construed as subject to submission or alteration. There is an interesting proposal on the RDF " to make it a more attractive Option".
                      You have me curious... where can I see this?
                      "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                      • Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
                        You have me curious... where can I see this?
                        Go on the web and type in Terms of Reference, Commission on Defence and add gov.ie.

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                        • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                          I note that the TOR was already set by Government to the COD and maybe cannot be construed as subject to submission or alteration. There is an interesting proposal on the RDF " to make it a more attractive Option".
                          The consultations on the TORs closed a while ago


                          Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
                          You have me curious... where can I see this?
                          https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/b6...-of-reference/

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                          • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                            The consultations on the TORs closed a while ago




                            https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/b6...-of-reference/
                            But no mention of WHAT these "... recommendations to better leverage the capabilities of the RDF in their supports to the PDF and to make service in the RDF a more attractive option..." are, then?
                            "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                            • Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
                              But no mention of WHAT these "... recommendations to better leverage the capabilities of the RDF in their supports to the PDF and to make service in the RDF a more attractive option..." are, then?
                              I guess that's what the Commission is come back with.

                              I just hope they actually make some very specific recommendations for the Reserve beyond the broad and bland such as:

                              - More interesting and challenging training
                              - Further leveraging of specialist skills
                              - More integration of PDF

                              We all know recommendations like the above look and sound good on a report but are so vague as to be useless.

                              A more attractive option must mean

                              - Rights for those in employment with regards leave.
                              - Return of the gratuity or similar.
                              - Overseas (most likely limited).
                              - More resourcing,
                              Last edited by Auldsod; 5 February 2021, 09:36.

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                              • Kill the reserve as it is - something else is needed . At the level it is at, can anyone come up with a viable plan to return to establishment numbers within 3 years or less thats not cuckoo crazy ?

                                Further, at the moment it is helping the Department, because we are helping the PDF and so, if we were not there, political pressure on the department would be far more. Look at what PDF have said even here about them having large issues if we were not helping.


                                Yes I know its radical
                                "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                                "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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