The T.A. do, why don`t the RDF?

[SPOOKY]

Yawn.
http://www.specwarnet.com/europe/sas.htm

The offical line.
http://www.army.mod.uk/uksf/

Just to make things easier fro you to book your plane ticket and passport application................ Christ.

http;//www.ryanair.com

Give us a break, mod's are you trying to make a point here or what?

[JAG]

Did I hit a Raw Nerve?

Civil Defence= crowd control, first aid, floods etc

Reserve Defence FORCE= reserve force whose purpose is Defence. Defence, and ancillary activities.

Can anyone spot the difference here? I'll give a hint. One is intended to help the population when the country is under attack. The other is intended to help prevent the attackers from succeeding.

[jpb]

hey jag,

i think that is the first pro-thread post i have seen from you, apart from the one's you put up yourself:D ......go RDF,

keep safe.

[paul g]

What a lot of people always forget in discussing RDF/T.A comparisons, is that were the RDF to be in the same proportion to the PDF, as the T.A. is to the regular british army it would only have at most four thousand members. The T.A. is comparable to the proposed integrated reserve not the present day FCA, as such its training is not up to scratch. Personally i think that more could be done by improving the standard of general training at unit level, and getting functioning battalions, rather than developing a special forces unit that will never be used.

[rod and serpent]

Sorry I got you lads mixed up with professional soldiers.

[spiderman]

'Sorry I got you lads mixed up with professional soldiers'

yeah? well don't!

re the special olympics and stuff like that - it's exactly the kind of thing we need to develop: organisational skills, command & control etc. these are the real deficiencies in the RDF - things we will need to be stronger on as the cadres die off.

did it ever occur to anyone that the PDF brass kept a distance from the RDF in the early stages, not to let us show what we are made of but in case it all went belly-up?

and when we did a good job, did that alter their perception for the long term? my b*&%$x. it seems to me there is no real interest in the development and training of the reserve to the standard that could be achieved - if there was they would have listened to what we had to say years ago, or even months ago. and as for the senior RDF officers at bde level?? jokesville.

that's all, see ya

[DeV]

All RDF officers should be regularly practice in larger scale ops (eg Special Olympics) & development/refresher training in areas such as Coy/Bn level ops, ATCP, Human Resource Management etc

[MOD: Stick to the thread ]

[Harry]

Im getting really sick of this......God help us if someone put half the "Spec Ops" RDFers in here behind an MP5 or sumthing. The only area where a more specialised RDF unit would be even partly warranted is in ATCP duties such as Escorts, Force Protection and DF Property Protection as well as specialist SAR duties to bolster the Civil Defence etc. in a time of high threat when the PDF was overstretched and not worrying bout Securicor vans and such.....

[JAG]

Securicor should be paying for the full cost of DF/Garda security plus a profit margin, but that's another thread.

Fully in favour of an effective RDF, but we just don't have one right now. That's a lack of political will and management foresight, not a lack of ability or resources.

[parkman]

The RDF will never be trained or equipted to the same level as the regular forces because you just cannot trust an unpaid force 100%.[no disrespect to the reserve lads]For example you can turn out a regular unit in aid of the civil power regardless of the reason where as with the reserve force half the unit might not agree with the civil power.Paid troops are always more reliable.

[rod and serpent]

If any of the military members of the is forum had the time and oppertunity to train for SF would they take the chance. PS I still cant believe that you dont get paid for your time in the reserves.

[Docman]

Originally posted by parkman
The RDF will never be trained or equipted to the same level as the regular forces because you just cannot trust an unpaid force 100%.[no disrespect to the reserve lads]For example you can turn out a regular unit in aid of the civil power regardless of the reason where as with the reserve force half the unit might not agree with the civil power.Paid troops are always more reliable.

NO DISRESPECT?????

Of all the idiotic, moranical, daft statements that have been made in the past, this one really gets the biscuit.

It makes no difference whether we agree or disagree with our orders, we will still carry them out to our best ability. For soldiers to disobey lawful orders is a crime that would not go unpunished.

To even suggest that we would not carry out our orders is sickening to me and every other military member of this board. To say it denigartes everything the Reserve stands for.

Sorry but this post really has struck a cord.

[jpb]

docman,

did you honestly expect anything else from the above, have you not read his other post's, brainless is a nice discription, sorry but i would not like to get points for any other discription,

keep safe.

[Come-quickly]

In answer to Rod&Serpent I would definitely like a chance to train at a much higher level of intensity, I know two RDF members with extremely high levels of fitness and determination who are either being wasted on the inadequate training system or just outright leaving because they just cant take being outraged anymore.
Even if it wasn't something I was interested in a higher training intensity unit with the fitness requirements if nothing else of 1RAR would do wonders to cut out tolerance for the Butlins crowd.

[Joshua]

Docman, JPB.

Please relax and take deep breaths.

Some people post on this board to antagonise others ie they are trolling.
They then go into the childrens or pre moderated section.
When a mod gets a chance, he goes into this section, reads and either deletes the post ,or edits it and allows it to appear in the relevant forum.

My advice is to read what they have to say, laugh quietly to yourself and ignore the dumb ignorant ****.

I am of course not referring to Parkman in any way.

Tippex at the ready.

Regards etc